Juan Manuel Marquez Tells Pacquiao To His Face Floyd Would Kick His Ass On ESPN First

[Pavlik]

The Marquez that will be fighting Pac on Dec 8th will be the best version ever better than the chunky form that fought Mayweather. If Pac stops Marquez this saturday night i hope there will be no excuses the same way if Marquez destroys Pac no excuses either.

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The Marquez that will be fighting Pac on Dec 8th will be the best version ever better than the chunky form that fought Mayweather. If Pac stops Marquez this saturday night i hope there will be no excuses the same way if Marquez destroys Pac no excuses either.

I agree.

Marquez had his biggest payday against mayweather and that was marquez biggest fight.

Lets not not discredit marquez by calling him chunky as he would have had the best preparation ever as the outcome of beating mayweather would have meant more by beating pacman at any stage.

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As a fan, floyds inactivity is p&ssing me off.

As mentioned earlier a sergio martinez is possibly floyds biggest threat but i cant see floyd going up in weight again as its a huge disadvantage for someone who holds all the cards.

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Floyds and mannys style are like chalk and cheese.

Floyds style imho is more like art and is boxing skills at its greatest.

Mannys style is aggressive, quick but clumsy and can be duplicated.

If anyone had a choice, im sure you would want to leave the leave the ring with as minimal damage as possible while inflicting as much damage as possible.

Floyd does this very well. Manny doesnt.

Manny could possibly fight victor ortiz now and ko ortiz in the first round..are we not to take into the other factors such as the losses victor has incurred since floyd and the broken jaw he has received?

Floyd and manny have both beaten these common opponents in different ways.
And depending on your preference in style you have the choice in who you prefer has done the better job...

But floyd easily had the harder road..

[Fenster]

@imp

You originally said Manny needs a 4th attempt at beating Marquez whereas Floyd would never need to rematch him. That is true. However, you have to accept that, if you judge fighters by common opponents then everyone has to be brought into the mix.

Judging Floyd/Pac through Marquez makes Floyd look far superior. Judging Floyd/Pac through Cotto makes Pac look far superior.

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@imp

You originally said Manny needs a 4th attempt at beating Marquez whereas Floyd would never need to rematch him. That is true. However, you have to accept that, if you judge fighters by common opponents then everyone has to be brought into the mix.

Judging Floyd/Pac through Marquez makes Floyd look far superior. Judging Floyd/Pac through Cotto makes Pac look far superior.

Does floyd or manny need to rematch cotto as it was decisive in both fights.

The outcome would be the same.

BUT if manny fought cotto at his WEIGHT the majority would agree it would be harder for manny.

If floyd fought cotto at 147 it would still be same thing but possibly a late ko and even easier for floyd

Surely you would agree fenster that in each weight class that floyd fights cotto the outcome is the same but easier at 147?

On the other hand its harder for manny at the opponents weight and not weight drained...and that applies to oscar as well.

I cant say manny was more superior at beating cotto because cotto was at a disavantage in weight and he admits that.

[Rantcatrat]

@imp

You originally said Manny needs a 4th attempt at beating Marquez whereas Floyd would never need to rematch him. That is true. However, you have to accept that, if you judge fighters by common opponents then everyone has to be brought into the mix.

Judging Floyd/Pac through Marquez makes Floyd look far superior. Judging Floyd/Pac through Cotto makes Pac look far superior.

Does floyd or manny need to rematch cotto as it was decisive in both fights.

The outcome would be the same.

BUT if manny fought cotto at his WEIGHT the majority would agree it would be harder for manny.

If floyd fought cotto at 147 it would still be same thing but possibly a late ko and even easier for floyd

Surely you would agree fenster that in each weight class that floyd fights cotto the outcome is the same but easier at 147?

On the other hand its harder for manny at the opponents weight and not weight drained...and that applies to oscar as well.

I cant say manny was more superior at beating cotto because cotto was at a disavantage in weight and he admits that.

@imp -
Cotto:

After seeing Cotto dismantled by a legitimate junior middleweight in Austin Trout, do you still maintain that Cotto is/was best at 154? Frankly, Cotto was best pre-Margarito I. He was never quite the same afterward. In terms of his weight class, Cotto was best at 140-147. He's not even a big welterweight, let alone a junior middleweight. Floyd fought Cotto after Manny knocked him out. In terms of wear and tear, Cotto had been through 2 fights with Margarito and one bad knockout by Pacquiao, prior to fighting Floyd. In my humble, Manny did better against Cotto, in a weight class that Cotto historically has been more effective.

Hatton:

Somewhat a wash, Hatton had never been stopped when Floyd fought him, but he looked outsized against Floyd, and Floyd fought him at 147, not 140, where Hatton had been best. Recall Collazo-Hatton at 147 before Floyd got to him. Arguably, Collazo beat him at 147. Manny fought him after Floyd had knocked him out at Hatton's best weight. It all depends on how much the Floyd KO took out of Hatton. Thus, it's arguably a wash.

Margarito:

Floyd never faced him. Manny demolished him.

Marquez:

Floyd wins.

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@imp

You originally said Manny needs a 4th attempt at beating Marquez whereas Floyd would never need to rematch him. That is true. However, you have to accept that, if you judge fighters by common opponents then everyone has to be brought into the mix.

Judging Floyd/Pac through Marquez makes Floyd look far superior. Judging Floyd/Pac through Cotto makes Pac look far superior.

Does floyd or manny need to rematch cotto as it was decisive in both fights.

The outcome would be the same.

BUT if manny fought cotto at his WEIGHT the majority would agree it would be harder for manny.

If floyd fought cotto at 147 it would still be same thing but possibly a late ko and even easier for floyd

Surely you would agree fenster that in each weight class that floyd fights cotto the outcome is the same but easier at 147?

On the other hand its harder for manny at the opponents weight and not weight drained...and that applies to oscar as well.

I cant say manny was more superior at beating cotto because cotto was at a disavantage in weight and he admits that.

@imp -
Cotto:

After seeing Cotto dismantled by a legitimate junior middleweight in Austin Trout, do you still maintain that Cotto is/was best at 154? Frankly, Cotto was best pre-Margarito I. He was never quite the same afterward. In terms of his weight class, Cotto was best at 140-147. He's not even a big welterweight, let alone a junior middleweight. Floyd fought Cotto after Manny knocked him out. In terms of wear and tear, Cotto had been through 2 fights with Margarito and one bad knockout by Pacquiao, prior to fighting Floyd. In my humble, Manny did better against Cotto, in a weight class that Cotto historically has been more effective.

Hatton:

Somewhat a wash, Hatton had never been stopped when Floyd fought him, but he looked outsized against Floyd, and Floyd fought him at 147, not 140, where Hatton had been best. Recall Collazo-Hatton at 147 before Floyd got to him. Arguably, Collazo beat him at 147. Manny fought him after Floyd had knocked him out at Hatton's best weight. It all depends on how much the Floyd KO took out of Hatton. Thus, it's arguably a wash.

Margarito:

Floyd never faced him. Manny demolished him.

Marquez:

Floyd wins.

Ortiz:-

Floyd ko him. Manny would never ever fight victor post berto.

Hatton:-

Hatton was undefeated!!!
Do you know the metal strength of an undefeated fighter?!
Hatton could never be the same after that!
Hatton got rid of his lifelong trainer and he was never the same!

Margarito:-

Lol! Drug cheat plaster wearing disgrace to mexicans and boxing!
This guy was already been beaten by paul williams and destroyed by moseley!
Plus, he had the added stress of the fact he was exposed and could not wear the plaster anymore!

Cotto:-

Cotto didnt fight pac at 147 it was a catchweight of 145!!!! Thats even worse.

Oscar:-

Its so obvious this one..you work it out fella.

[zhubin]

@imp

You originally said Manny needs a 4th attempt at beating Marquez whereas Floyd would never need to rematch him. That is true. However, you have to accept that, if you judge fighters by common opponents then everyone has to be brought into the mix.

Judging Floyd/Pac through Marquez makes Floyd look far superior. Judging Floyd/Pac through Cotto makes Pac look far superior.

I think using Marquez/Cotto to judge who is better between Floyd and Pac is ridiculous! Floyd brought Marquez up in weight and took full advantage. Pac brought Cotto down in weight and took full advantage. You can take it further...Floyd didn't make weight against Marquez...and Pac fought a Cotto that had not fully recovered both physically and psychologically from the Margo debacle. Floyd fought a bigger, better, healthier, more rejuvenated Cotto (not to mention much better coached). Pac has fought a prime Marquez at lower classes and a better suited Marquez at welterweight.

[Fenster]

@imp

You originally said Manny needs a 4th attempt at beating Marquez whereas Floyd would never need to rematch him. That is true. However, you have to accept that, if you judge fighters by common opponents then everyone has to be brought into the mix.

Judging Floyd/Pac through Marquez makes Floyd look far superior. Judging Floyd/Pac through Cotto makes Pac look far superior.

I think using Marquez/Cotto to judge who is better between Floyd and Pac is ridiculous! Floyd brought Marquez up in weight and took full advantage. Pac brought Cotto down in weight and took full advantage. You can take it further...Floyd didn't make weight against Marquez...and Pac fought a Cotto that had not fully recovered both physically and psychologically from the Margo debacle. Floyd fought a bigger, better, healthier, more rejuvenated Cotto (not to mention much better coached). Pac has fought a prime Marquez at lower classes and a better suited Marquez at welterweight.

Exactly.

You can make excuses for any fighter that's why I was sticking to pure fact.