Juan Manuel Marquez Tells Pacquiao To His Face Floyd Would Kick His Ass On ESPN First

[Violent Demise]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

Cotto had been a pro for about 9 years going into the Pacquiao fight. He knows what the fuck he's doing. At least he should. His corner had nothing to do with him losing.

[TitoFan]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

Cotto had been a pro for about 9 years going into the Pacquiao fight. He knows what the fuck he's doing. At least he should. His corner had nothing to do with him losing.

So do away with corners and trainers. What are they good for, right? This can't be a "sometimes they're needed... sometimes they're not" type of argument. Yes... all professional boxers know how to fight and carry themselves in the ring. But supposedly, a good corner/trainer is there to add strategy... to see things the fighter himself may be overlooking. In Cotto's case, he was doing quite nicely the first few rounds against Pac, snapping his head back repeatedly with a good hard jab. He should've refrained from trading with Pac until maybe a bit later in the fight, but he didn't and got tagged.

But more importantly... the trainer prepares the fighter BEFORE the fight, with the strength, conditioning, and other drills and exercises to get the most out the fighter for the particular opponent he is facing.

Example: Cotto clearly lost against Mayweather... but he would have done a HELL of a lot more poorly with Joe "Clueless" Santiago still in his corner.

[Violent Demise]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

Cotto had been a pro for about 9 years going into the Pacquiao fight. He knows what the fuck he's doing. At least he should. His corner had nothing to do with him losing.

So do away with corners and trainers. What are they good for, right? This can't be a "sometimes they're needed... sometimes they're not" type of argument. Yes... all professional boxers know how to fight and carry themselves in the ring. But supposedly, a good corner/trainer is there to add strategy... to see things the fighter himself may be overlooking. In Cotto's case, he was doing quite nicely the first few rounds against Pac, snapping his head back repeatedly with a good hard jab. He should've refrained from trading with Pac until maybe a bit later in the fight, but he didn't and got tagged.

But more importantly... the trainer prepares the fighter BEFORE the fight, with the strength, conditioning, and other drills and exercises to get the most out the fighter for the particular opponent he is facing.

Example: Cotto clearly lost against Mayweather... but he would have done a HELL of a lot more poorly with Joe "Clueless" Santiago still in his corner.

You just proved my point. Cotto did have success early. So apparently the "strategy" was working very well. I never saw his corner tell Cotto to trade with Pacquiao (If they did let me know the moment they told him). Cotto decided to do that himself. Him being dropped and hurt showed it was a mistake. Whatever his corner told him or didn't tell him to do after that doesn't even matter. Cuz the fight was already lost. After that 2nd knock down it was over. Cotto went into full retreat and the fight stopped being competitive. It was just a matter of time. Cotto's corner took the blame cuz Cotto and his followers needed to blame something

[TitoFan]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

Cotto had been a pro for about 9 years going into the Pacquiao fight. He knows what the fuck he's doing. At least he should. His corner had nothing to do with him losing.

So do away with corners and trainers. What are they good for, right? This can't be a "sometimes they're needed... sometimes they're not" type of argument. Yes... all professional boxers know how to fight and carry themselves in the ring. But supposedly, a good corner/trainer is there to add strategy... to see things the fighter himself may be overlooking. In Cotto's case, he was doing quite nicely the first few rounds against Pac, snapping his head back repeatedly with a good hard jab. He should've refrained from trading with Pac until maybe a bit later in the fight, but he didn't and got tagged.

But more importantly... the trainer prepares the fighter BEFORE the fight, with the strength, conditioning, and other drills and exercises to get the most out the fighter for the particular opponent he is facing.

Example: Cotto clearly lost against Mayweather... but he would have done a HELL of a lot more poorly with Joe "Clueless" Santiago still in his corner.

You just proved my point. Cotto did have success early. So apparently the "strategy" was working very well. I never saw his corner tell Cotto to trade with Pacquiao (If they did let me know the moment they told him). Cotto decided to do that himself. Him being dropped and hurt showed it was a mistake. Whatever his corner told him or didn't tell him to do after that doesn't even matter. Cuz the fight was already lost. After that 2nd knock down it was over. Cotto went into full retreat and the fight stopped being competitive. It was just a matter of time. Cotto's corner took the blame cuz Cotto and his followers needed to blame something

Yeah ok whatever. We don't agree on that, but that's fine. However, you ignored perhaps the more important point... the training BEFORE the fight. It was obviously a different Cotto that went into the ring against Mayweather than against Pacquiao. He was better trained... better prepared. That's why I maintain that a Pedro Diaz-trained Cotto would've had a much better chance to defeat Pacquaio. Joe Santiago didn't have a clue as to how train Cotto for a specific fighter. He's merely a personal trainer, with very little inside knowledge about the boxing game. Pedro Diaz, on the other hand, was already a highly successful trainer from the Cuban amateur ranks, with a very good resume.

[Rantcatrat]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

Cotto had been a pro for about 9 years going into the Pacquiao fight. He knows what the fuck he's doing. At least he should. His corner had nothing to do with him losing.

So do away with corners and trainers. What are they good for, right? This can't be a "sometimes they're needed... sometimes they're not" type of argument. Yes... all professional boxers know how to fight and carry themselves in the ring. But supposedly, a good corner/trainer is there to add strategy... to see things the fighter himself may be overlooking. In Cotto's case, he was doing quite nicely the first few rounds against Pac, snapping his head back repeatedly with a good hard jab. He should've refrained from trading with Pac until maybe a bit later in the fight, but he didn't and got tagged.

But more importantly... the trainer prepares the fighter BEFORE the fight, with the strength, conditioning, and other drills and exercises to get the most out the fighter for the particular opponent he is facing.

Example: Cotto clearly lost against Mayweather... but he would have done a HELL of a lot more poorly with Joe "Clueless" Santiago still in his corner.

You just proved my point. Cotto did have success early. So apparently the "strategy" was working very well. I never saw his corner tell Cotto to trade with Pacquiao (If they did let me know the moment they told him). Cotto decided to do that himself. Him being dropped and hurt showed it was a mistake. Whatever his corner told him or didn't tell him to do after that doesn't even matter. Cuz the fight was already lost. After that 2nd knock down it was over. Cotto went into full retreat and the fight stopped being competitive. It was just a matter of time. Cotto's corner took the blame cuz Cotto and his followers needed to blame something

Yeah ok whatever. We don't agree on that, but that's fine. However, you ignored perhaps the more important point... the training BEFORE the fight. It was obviously a different Cotto that went into the ring against Mayweather than against Pacquiao. He was better trained... better prepared. That's why I maintain that a Pedro Diaz-trained Cotto would've had a much better chance to defeat Pacquaio. Joe Santiago didn't have a clue as to how train Cotto for a specific fighter. He's merely a personal trainer, with very little inside knowledge about the boxing game. Pedro Diaz, on the other hand, was already a highly successful trainer from the Cuban amateur ranks, with a very good resume.

That's all fine and dandy, but Pedro Diaz was in his corner last weekend, right? And can you point to specific things that Pedro Diaz has done successfully with Cotto that Cotto wasn't doing before. Frankly, Manny's speed would give any version of Cotto's problems, even a Pedro Diaz-trained version. Now, a pre-Margarito I version of Cotto at 140/147 against Manny, trained by a championship quality trainer? That's worth a discussion.

[imp]

Marquez fought both of these guys and he thinks that mayweather will win.

I respect marquez for being honest and surprise surprise...i agree with him.