Quote Originally Posted by imp View Post
Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
@imp

You originally said Manny needs a 4th attempt at beating Marquez whereas Floyd would never need to rematch him. That is true. However, you have to accept that, if you judge fighters by common opponents then everyone has to be brought into the mix.

Judging Floyd/Pac through Marquez makes Floyd look far superior. Judging Floyd/Pac through Cotto makes Pac look far superior.
Does floyd or manny need to rematch cotto as it was decisive in both fights.

The outcome would be the same.

BUT if manny fought cotto at his WEIGHT the majority would agree it would be harder for manny.

If floyd fought cotto at 147 it would still be same thing but possibly a late ko and even easier for floyd

Surely you would agree fenster that in each weight class that floyd fights cotto the outcome is the same but easier at 147?

On the other hand its harder for manny at the opponents weight and not weight drained...and that applies to oscar as well.

I cant say manny was more superior at beating cotto because cotto was at a disavantage in weight and he admits that.
@imp -
Cotto:

After seeing Cotto dismantled by a legitimate junior middleweight in Austin Trout, do you still maintain that Cotto is/was best at 154? Frankly, Cotto was best pre-Margarito I. He was never quite the same afterward. In terms of his weight class, Cotto was best at 140-147. He's not even a big welterweight, let alone a junior middleweight. Floyd fought Cotto after Manny knocked him out. In terms of wear and tear, Cotto had been through 2 fights with Margarito and one bad knockout by Pacquiao, prior to fighting Floyd. In my humble, Manny did better against Cotto, in a weight class that Cotto historically has been more effective.

Hatton:

Somewhat a wash, Hatton had never been stopped when Floyd fought him, but he looked outsized against Floyd, and Floyd fought him at 147, not 140, where Hatton had been best. Recall Collazo-Hatton at 147 before Floyd got to him. Arguably, Collazo beat him at 147. Manny fought him after Floyd had knocked him out at Hatton's best weight. It all depends on how much the Floyd KO took out of Hatton. Thus, it's arguably a wash.

Margarito:

Floyd never faced him. Manny demolished him.

Marquez:

Floyd wins.