When Tyson fought Spinks......

[BIG H]

No correct thread, just off that you can be impressed with somebody with zero decent names on their list as opposed to somebody with 6

Alright, so who should Wladimir have fought to gain your praises?

Don't think he's ducked anybody (except getting his big brother to beat up that Bully Corrie Sanders) Just a very crap era, probably the worse ever.

[El Kabong]

Don't think he's ducked anybody (except getting his big brother to beat up that Bully Corrie Sanders) Just a very crap era, probably the worse ever.

Like Tyson got Holyfield to beat up the bully Buster Douglas?

[BIG H]

Don't think he's ducked anybody (except getting his big brother to beat up that Bully Corrie Sanders) Just a very crap era, probably the worse ever.

Like Tyson got Holyfield to beat up the bully Buster Douglas?

Nope! Holyfield was the manadtory and beat Douglas a few months after the Tyson fight and then Douglas went into excile. There was no opportunity for that rematch.

[El Kabong]

Nope! Holyfield was the manadtory and beat Douglas a few months after the Tyson fight and then Douglas went into excile. There was no opportunity for that rematch.

Uh huh...so there WAS opportunity for Wlad to rematch Sanders? 2004 Sanders loses to Vitali & Wlad loses to Brewster. Sanders then goes on to retire for 2005, then in his "comeback" he fought 1 time in 2006 & 1 time in 2007 and then lost in 2008. Wlad rematched Brewster when he got the opportunity. Mike Tyson never avenged a loss, Wlad did. I'm not saying that to hate on Tyson, I'm saying that because it's an accomplishment Wlad achieved that is overlooked and under appreciated.

[TysonBomb]

Nope! Holyfield was the manadtory and beat Douglas a few months after the Tyson fight and then Douglas went into excile. There was no opportunity for that rematch.

Uh huh...so there WAS opportunity for Wlad to rematch Sanders? 2004 Sanders loses to Vitali & Wlad loses to Brewster. Sanders then goes on to retire for 2005, then in his "comeback" he fought 1 time in 2006 & 1 time in 2007 and then lost in 2008. Wlad rematched Brewster when he got the opportunity. Mike Tyson never avenged a loss, Wlad did.

Wlad fought a man who was practically blind in one eye and in the hospital for 9 months and inactive for 15 months in total. And he was coming off a loss.

How was one eyed Brewster who was coming straight from his hospital bed to the ring supposed to beat him again? Where was Wlady the two years that he was champion? Brewster even said that Waldo didn't look for a rematch those two years

[El Kabong]

Wlad fought a man who was practically blind in one eye and in the hospital for 9 months and inactive for 15 months in total. And he was coming off a loss.

How was one eyed Brewster who was coming straight from his hospital bed to the ring supposed to beat him again? Where was Wlady the two years that he was champion? Brewster even said that Waldo didn't look for a rematch those two years

Yes that's exactly right Brewster still had his hospital gown on for the fight correct? I mean Lamon signed to fight Wladimir what the fuck do you want from the guy? Wlad won a title after he lost to Brewster, Brewster had his mandatories & Wlad had his....it's not Wlad's fault Brewster lost to Liakhovich.

[TysonBomb]

Wlad fought a man who was practically blind in one eye and in the hospital for 9 months and inactive for 15 months in total. And he was coming off a loss.

How was one eyed Brewster who was coming straight from his hospital bed to the ring supposed to beat him again? Where was Wlady the two years that he was champion? Brewster even said that Waldo didn't look for a rematch those two years

Yes that's exactly right Brewster still had his hospital gown on for the fight correct? I mean Lamon signed to fight Wladimir what the fuck do you want from the guy? Wlad won a title after he lost to Brewster, Brewster had his mandatories & Wlad had his....it's not Wlad's fault Brewster lost to Liakhovich.

We all know a rematch could've been made within those 2 years

And yeah Tyson fought bums. EVERYONE fights bums. But even Wlad's elite level competition are bums ... look at this year alone ... two 40 year olds and a punching bag? One being a shot cruiser and another a 40 year old whom he already defeated?

Wlad's last high level opponent was Ruslan Chagaev ... who he fought 3 years ago.

I don't think you can say that Wlad's best wins are better than Mike's.

[TysonBomb]

Wladimir gets his big brother to beat up his opponents and fight his battles

"I'm going to get my big brother to beat you up!!" lol

Mike's resume was much better than Wlady's ... Wlady fought two 40 year old pension collectors this year and the human punching bag

Imagine if Tyson fought two 40 year olds in a row and a human punching bag ... Ironically it would be Klitschko fans to jump on him and criticize him before any others ...

But I can't really blame him ... this era is just that bad ... sadly this isn't true for Klitschko fans who will actually blame people for the era they fight in, such as Iron Mike who supposedly fought in a "weak era"

[El Kabong]

So Tyson fought 0 bums then?

[p4pking]

Don't think he's ducked anybody (except getting his big brother to beat up that Bully Corrie Sanders) Just a very crap era, probably the worse ever.

Like Tyson got Holyfield to beat up the bully Buster Douglas?

Huh? Come on. Holyfield had already been in line to fight Tyson, who would have met the winner of that had Mike gotten the chance. Wlad had absolutely no reason not to rematch Sanders other than out of fear of getting spanked again, which is quite understandable given Wlad hadn't learned how to hold yet. Wlad is a smarter fighter than he was then, why can't you just put it down to that instead of being juvenile? At the time it was a bit ridiculous for Vitali to come to the rescue, period. What was the reason behind Sanders never defending the WBO title and fighting Vitali for a vacant strap if not? Clearly Vitali was pushing to fight him and not Wlad.

[TysonBomb]

Don't think he's ducked anybody (except getting his big brother to beat up that Bully Corrie Sanders) Just a very crap era, probably the worse ever.

Like Tyson got Holyfield to beat up the bully Buster Douglas?

Huh? Come on. Holyfield had already been in line to fight Tyson, who would have met the winner of that had Mike gotten the chance. Wlad had absolutely no reason not to rematch Sanders other than out of fear of getting spanked again, which is quite understandable given Wlad hadn't learned how to hold yet. Wlad is a smarter fighter than he was then, why can't you just put it down to that instead of being juvenile? At the time it was a bit ridiculous for Vitali to come to the rescue, period. What was the reason behind Sanders never defending the WBO title and fighting Vitali for a vacant strap if not? Clearly Vitali was pushing to fight him and not Wlad.

Vitali personally came after Sanders right after the victory ... Sanders even commented on how unsportsmanlike Vitali was

Just pathetic. I'm going to get my big brother to beat you up. Wow, last time I heard something like that was when I was on the playground in elementary school ... Wlad still having his brother fight his battles as a heavyweight titlist. I wonder if his mother was still changing his diapers after he soiled himself against Sanders.

But I do agree that the Klits have nothing to do with this thread. This is about a 91 second destruction of an undefeated, lineal heavyweight champion by the most ferocious human to ever step inside a ring. Prime Tyson was like a caged animal ready to attack. Especially the Tyson of that night, literally terror personified. That Tyson would beat the best of any heavyweight fighter in history. The Lewis of the Golota fight, the Holyfield of the Foreman fight, the Foreman of the first Frazier fight, the Ali of the Cleveland Williams fight would all fall.

[El Kabong]

Nobody makes a big deal of when Wlad beat Chris Byrd after Vitali's loss to Byrd...Vitali never rematched Byrd, but yeah the Sanders fight gets brought up on a never ending basis.

Did Tyson not have a rematch clause vs Douglas? I would find it hard to believe.

[Fenster]

Nobody makes a big deal of when Wlad beat Chris Byrd after Vitali's loss to Byrd...Vitali never rematched Byrd, but yeah the Sanders fight gets brought up on a never ending basis.

Maybe because Vitali lost through shoulder injury after being miles in front and Wlad lost by sparkage in under 6 minutes makes people view the situation different.

[imp]

Wlad comes up alot in these conversations because if we ignore the mythical p4p list the best heavyweight fighter is truly the king of boxing.

With vitalis retirement imminent Wlad will be in his own at the top of the hill.

I suppose some people feel the biggest and strongest athlete of boxing should set some sort of example? Why does the heavyweight best boxers not sell like a mayweather or pac?

The heavyweight scene should be bubbling but you cant make great fighters appear.

[Beanflicker]

For sure Wlad should have rematched Corey Sanders. Vitali said Corey gave him his hardest fight, it wasn't like it was a complete washout. Who's to say Corey wouldn't have gave Wlad hell again?