Do you think Pac is on Peds?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I don't doubt their achievements but without seeing how they fought as they moved up through the weights. I don't think this is issue that concerns people. Plenty of great fighters have fought in different divisions it's the WAY he has looked to get more powerful and maintain speed.

[marbleheadmaui]

I don't doubt their achievements but without seeing how they fought as they moved up through the weights. I don't think this is issue that concerns people. Plenty of great fighters have fought in different divisions it's the WAY he has looked to get more powerful and maintain speed.

Well I'm not sure what you need to see. McLarnin (as an example) began as a flyweight and brought enough power to get up from two knockdowns to knock down reigning 135 king and HOFer Louis Kaplan three times before stopping him in 8 and he stopped reigning 147 king and HOFer Young Corbett III in one round.

The thing people don't recognize about Manny is that it isn't that his power has increased. If THAT was it the last three guys wouldn't have gone the distance and Cotto wouldn't have lested into the twelfth. What is remarkable about Maanny is his technical improvement. His right hand has improved enough that the other guy can't just look for the left. His balance has improved enough that the last punch in the combination is as effective as the first. His footwork has improved enough that he can hit now from angles he couldn't previously move to. There is no PED I know of that correlates to those sorts of improvements.

[generalbulldog]

I say yes he is on PEDs. As Roger Mayweather would say, "Motherfucker be on some A-side meth shit. Motherfuckers were going through bullets and shit. That's what the motherfucker's on."

[KananKrus]

No.

[Mars_ax]

I say yes he is on PEDs. As Roger Mayweather would say, "Motherfucker be on some A-side meth shit. Motherfuckers were going through bullets and shit. That's what the motherfucker's on."

Roger is a motherfucker who know his motherfucking shit, Pac must be using motherfucking PEDs.

Seriously, the Pac-PEDs issue is a horse that's been beaten to death, it time for that bullshit to be put to rest.

[Pavlik]

never

1. pac is a genuinely good man.
2. steroids/hgh should at least manifest itself in increase in muscle mass/density to improve power, pacquiao over the years has not bulked up.
3. this slandering is brought upon by envy.

[jbp23]

There is absoulutely no evidence that points to it. Just beating fighters in higher weight classes is not evidence of PED use its evidence of a great fighter.

However there is evidence mounting against Marquez. Using a strength coach who has a history of peddling PEDS, using alias's, and making up ridiculous stories such as this one in yahoo sports:

"Heredia said he is going to meet with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky, the man who broke the BALCO case, Thursday in Las Vegas and that Marquez will provide a blood and urine sample,Heredia portrayed it as evidence that he is cooperating and attempting to develop a program that could catch cheats in professional boxing. But Novitzky is a criminal investigator, not a man who would be setting testing protocols or even handling a blood or urine specimen."

[Howlin Mad Missy]

There is absoulutely no evidence that points to it. Just beating fighters in higher weight classes is not evidence of PED use its evidence of a great fighter.

However there is evidence mounting against Marquez. Using a strength coach who has a history of peddling PEDS, using alias's, and making up ridiculous stories such as this one in yahoo sports:

"Heredia said he is going to meet with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky, the man who broke the BALCO case, Thursday in Las Vegas and that Marquez will provide a blood and urine sample,Heredia portrayed it as evidence that he is cooperating and attempting to develop a program that could catch cheats in professional boxing. But Novitzky is a criminal investigator, not a man who would be setting testing protocols or even handling a blood or urine specimen."

You're an idiot - Marquez said he'll take whatever test they want - So what you wrote right there is a LIE.

[imp]

There is absoulutely no evidence that points to it. Just beating fighters in higher weight classes is not evidence of PED use its evidence of a great fighter.

However there is evidence mounting against Marquez. Using a strength coach who has a history of peddling PEDS, using alias's, and making up ridiculous stories such as this one in yahoo sports:

"Heredia said he is going to meet with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky, the man who broke the BALCO case, Thursday in Las Vegas and that Marquez will provide a blood and urine sample,Heredia portrayed it as evidence that he is cooperating and attempting to develop a program that could catch cheats in professional boxing. But Novitzky is a criminal investigator, not a man who would be setting testing protocols or even handling a blood or urine specimen."

With 7 posts you are a very disgruntled pac fan that is obviously very upset about all of this.

Spread your negative words about marquez elsewhere.

[ElTerribleMorales]

ffs, only reason that Marquez ko'd Manny was cause of his "foot stomping technique" from the last fight, he must have done permanent damage fuckin ridiculous, Pacquiao probably forgot his lucky fuckin socks again, and just in case anyone is too dumb to see through it, it's called sarcasm, Marquez waxed that ass 3 fights before it, so not shocking that he won this one the way he did given how hyped up he was about it and how relatively dumb Pacquiao is for not learning from his mistakes, Pacquiao can keep his 2 fake W's and D, cause in reality the only win in this series that means a damn is this one, a KO of the year is greater than whatever amount of knockdowns that Manny scored prior to

[Althugz]

never

1. pac is a genuinely good man.
2. steroids/hgh should at least manifest itself in increase in muscle mass/density to improve power, pacquiao over the years has not bulked up.
3. this slandering is brought upon by envy.

I'm not saying he is or isn't using but those are three totally baseless and therefore useless arguments.

[CFH]

They are ALL on performance-enhancing drugs. Martinez, Mayweather, Pacquaio, Marquez, Rocky fucking Juarez, all of them. IMO, to think otherwise is just naive. Boxing is still the shadiest sport in the western world.

[Fenster]

They are ALL on performance-enhancing drugs. Martinez, Mayweather, Pacquaio, Marquez, Rocky fucking Juarez, all of them. IMO, to think otherwise is just naive. Boxing is still the shadiest sport in the western world.

Business.

It doesn't deserve to be called a sport.

[Beanz]

They are ALL on performance-enhancing drugs. Martinez, Mayweather, Pacquaio, Marquez, Rocky fucking Juarez, all of them. IMO, to think otherwise is just naive. Boxing is still the shadiest sport in the western world.

Business.

It doesn't deserve to be called a sport.

Plenty of sports have become businesses first and foremost. There is no denying that the rules implemented in a boxing match make it a codified sport even if the interpretation of them by judges, media and promoters dirtys the water.

[Julius Rain]

I don't doubt their achievements but without seeing how they fought as they moved up through the weights. I don't think this is issue that concerns people. Plenty of great fighters have fought in different divisions it's the WAY he has looked to get more powerful and maintain speed.

Well I'm not sure what you need to see. McLarnin (as an example) began as a flyweight and brought enough power to get up from two knockdowns to knock down reigning 135 king and HOFer Louis Kaplan three times before stopping him in 8 and he stopped reigning 147 king and HOFer Young Corbett III in one round.

The thing people don't recognize about Manny is that it isn't that his power has increased. If THAT was it the last three guys wouldn't have gone the distance and Cotto wouldn't have lested into the twelfth. What is remarkable about Maanny is his technical improvement. His right hand has improved enough that the other guy can't just look for the left. His balance has improved enough that the last punch in the combination is as effective as the first. His footwork has improved enough that he can hit now from angles he couldn't previously move to. There is no PED I know of that correlates to those sorts of improvements.

Good class. Good to see old heads still schooling people and staying unbias. We need more posters like you. Too bad is a rarity to read a good post like yours. There are so many delusional mofo now all you read is the same shit and already know what the same mofo will say. Your post is refreshing for a change. Thank you!