Pac-Naz - we now have definitve proof. Fact.

[CutMeMick]

JMM was THEE mandatory challenger to Naz... Naz ducked him for a long time.
That is a fact.

Emmanuel Steward (RIP) admitted to telling Naz and advising to steer clear from him and not fight him and Naz listened.
That is also a fact.

[TitoFan]

Fenster?
I believe you're up.

[Fenster]

Well I do need it explained to me?

How does someone saying a fighter would win a fight mean the other guy ducked him?

And how the fuck can a fighter be "ducking" someone that is on record admitting they refused the fight?

(beyond stupid)

[TitoFan]

Ah... temper, temper.

Go back and read post 41. Then let me know if there's something in there you did not understand.

Go on now...

[Fenster]

Ah... temper, temper.

Go back and read post 41. Then let me know if there's something in there you did not understand.

Go on now...

The questions in post 43 were directly related to the replies in posts 40 and 41.

Want to have a go at answering the questions? Or you waiting for Mick?

[Bobthepen]

JMM was THEE mandatory challenger to Naz... Naz ducked him for a long time.
That is a fact.

Emmanuel Steward (RIP) admitted to telling Naz and advising to steer clear from him and not fight him and Naz listened.
That is also a fact.

It is a fact, but it only paints part of the picture. Naz was a superstar, and as such cherry picked opponents that would make big fights. Luis Abregu is number one contender for Mayweather's title, but I won't be accusing Mayweather of ducking him if they never fight.

I'm a huge Marquez fan, but I'm not kidding myself that he was the same fighter in the late nineties that he became a few years later. Marquez didn't win a world title until after Naz retired. Marquez has stated himself many times that he became more aggressive later in his career because he threw away fights.
If I had to place a bet, I'd put it on Naz to beat a pre 2000 Marquez.

[Fenster]

JMM was THEE mandatory challenger to Naz... Naz ducked him for a long time.
That is a fact.

Emmanuel Steward (RIP) admitted to telling Naz and advising to steer clear from him and not fight him and Naz listened.
That is also a fact.

It is a fact, but it only paints part of the picture. Naz was a superstar, and as such cherry picked opponents that would make big fights. Luis Abregu is number one contender for Mayweather's title, but I won't be accusing Mayweather of ducking him if they never fight.

I'm a huge Marquez fan, but I'm not kidding myself that he was the same fighter in the late nineties that he became a few years later. Marquez didn't win a world title until after Naz retired. Marquez has stated himself many times that he became more aggressive later in his career because he threw away fights.
If I had to place a bet, I'd put it on Naz to beat a pre 2000 Marquez.

Exactly.

Sadly though that is far to complex for some fans to understand. Some can't even accept that a fighter who says "I turned down the fight" actually turned it down. Hilarious/Madness.

[AdamGB]

That's because one fighter has a history of fighting the GREAT fighters of his era and the other, to put it mildly... doesn't.

Call me crazy, but when it comes to opposing stories, I am more likely to side with the guy who didn't retire after having fought and widely lost to the single truly elite that he ever faced.

If Hamed left a better legacy then I might be more open to your cries of avoidance.

[TitoFan]

Ouch! That had to hurt.
Once again.......

[Fenster]

Marquez being superior to Naz is irrelevant. That's a given.

All you have to do is - explain how a fighter has "ducked" someone that refused to fight them? That's it.

@TitoFan - your immature responses are not hiding your lack of knowledge. Either answer the question or accept you were wrong. There's no shame in being wrong. Fact.

[TitoFan]

CutMeMick and AdamGB have both refuted your silly theory that the inferior Naz was somehow ducked by the much greater JMM. I've yet to see your answers to them. Why is that, Fen?