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    Geeez... enough with the money excuse already. There's plenty of money in boxing. Set aside an appropriate amount for testing. If not, then let's watch the sport continue to suffer from increased PED use until a high profile fighter gets killed or brain damaged. Then... the calls to ban boxing or clean it up will be ringing off the rafters and something will have to be done. Better now than to wait until that happens.

    If the promoters and sanctioning bodies cannot come up with the coin after leeching fighters for billions of dollars over the years then provide a suitable pension/retirement plan based on shelf life.


    I think this is a very doable, sensible action, although it doesn't directly take care of the PED problem. Indirectly, however it would make it less "necessary" for over-the-hill fighters to continue hanging on for that last paycheck, particularly when the only motive is paying off debts. Thus, reducing the probability of a washed up fighter getting seriously hurt. Old fighters might also be less prone to try and extend their careers through their own use of PEDs.

    But a big portion of those billions should also go toward testing for PEDs. We seem to find a million excuses as to why it can't be done.... but what we need is someone with the gumption to say "Let's just do it and see what happens. We'll tweak the system if needed as we go."
    Agreed. I guess my point is that if you are going to throw the health of fighters under the bus by ignoring the issue because of probable lost revenue then to me they are at the very least morally obligated (if they have morals) to set up a variety of plans including assured health benefits after the fighters are done. Peds or not. But imo by ignoring the Ped issue these obligations become stronger and philosophically necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Geeez... enough with the money excuse already. There's plenty of money in boxing. Set aside an appropriate amount for testing. If not, then let's watch the sport continue to suffer from increased PED use until a high profile fighter gets killed or brain damaged. Then... the calls to ban boxing or clean it up will be ringing off the rafters and something will have to be done. Better now than to wait until that happens.

    If the promoters and sanctioning bodies cannot come up with the coin after leeching fighters for billions of dollars over the years then provide a suitable pension/retirement plan based on shelf life.


    I think this is a very doable, sensible action, although it doesn't directly take care of the PED problem. Indirectly, however it would make it less "necessary" for over-the-hill fighters to continue hanging on for that last paycheck, particularly when the only motive is paying off debts. Thus, reducing the probability of a washed up fighter getting seriously hurt. Old fighters might also be less prone to try and extend their careers through their own use of PEDs.

    But a big portion of those billions should also go toward testing for PEDs. We seem to find a million excuses as to why it can't be done.... but what we need is someone with the gumption to say "Let's just do it and see what happens. We'll tweak the system if needed as we go."
    Agreed. I guess my point is that if you are going to throw the health of fighters under the bus by ignoring the issue because of probable lost revenue then to me they are at the very least morally obligated (if they have morals) to set up a variety of plans including assured health benefits after the fighters are done. Peds or not. But imo by ignoring the Ped issue these obligations become stronger and philosophically necessary.


    Yep. I just find it inexcusable to be putting up "dollars and cents" barriers and excuses, when PEDs in boxing could easily lead to tragedies in the ring. Suffice it to say the sport has its inherent dangers already. We don't need to add more. And when you see the vast amounts of money flowing in big fights, excuses make even less sense. Just last night I caught part of "The Fight Game", with Jim Lampley... and he closed with a statement regarding the increasing use of PEDs. It's a real issue, and as humorously posted with a picture a few posts back.... it won't go away even if we bury our heads in the sand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Geeez... enough with the money excuse already. There's plenty of money in boxing. Set aside an appropriate amount for testing. If not, then let's watch the sport continue to suffer from increased PED use until a high profile fighter gets killed or brain damaged. Then... the calls to ban boxing or clean it up will be ringing off the rafters and something will have to be done. Better now than to wait until that happens.

    If the promoters and sanctioning bodies cannot come up with the coin after leeching fighters for billions of dollars over the years then provide a suitable pension/retirement plan based on shelf life.


    I think this is a very doable, sensible action, although it doesn't directly take care of the PED problem. Indirectly, however it would make it less "necessary" for over-the-hill fighters to continue hanging on for that last paycheck, particularly when the only motive is paying off debts. Thus, reducing the probability of a washed up fighter getting seriously hurt. Old fighters might also be less prone to try and extend their careers through their own use of PEDs.

    But a big portion of those billions should also go toward testing for PEDs. We seem to find a million excuses as to why it can't be done.... but what we need is someone with the gumption to say "Let's just do it and see what happens. We'll tweak the system if needed as we go."
    Agreed. I guess my point is that if you are going to throw the health of fighters under the bus by ignoring the issue because of probable lost revenue then to me they are at the very least morally obligated (if they have morals) to set up a variety of plans including assured health benefits after the fighters are done. Peds or not. But imo by ignoring the Ped issue these obligations become stronger and philosophically necessary.


    Yep. I just find it inexcusable to be putting up "dollars and cents" barriers and excuses, when PEDs in boxing could easily lead to tragedies in the ring. Suffice it to say the sport has its inherent dangers already. We don't need to add more. And when you see the vast amounts of money flowing in big fights, excuses make even less sense. Just last night I caught part of "The Fight Game", with Jim Lampley... and he closed with a statement regarding the increasing use of PEDs. It's a real issue, and as humorously posted with a picture a few posts back.... it won't go away even if we bury our heads in the sand.
    Either that or simply stop testing all together because the present testing would seem to sustain there use. Yet they frequently catch people with THC residue and make a big deal about it. Pretty hilarious.

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    What PED problem?









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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Yep. I just find it inexcusable to be putting up "dollars and cents" barriers and excuses, when PEDs in boxing could easily lead to tragedies in the ring. Suffice it to say the sport has its inherent dangers already. We don't need to add more. And when you see the vast amounts of money flowing in big fights, excuses make even less sense. Just last night I caught part of "The Fight Game", with Jim Lampley... and he closed with a statement regarding the increasing use of PEDs. It's a real issue, and as humorously posted with a picture a few posts back.... it won't go away even if we bury our heads in the sand.
    I think your boy Tito punching guys with his "cinder-block" hand wraps was more dangerous than any PED you could take.

    You're not acknowledging the fact that the money has to come from somewhere, and increased funds are not going to eliminate PEDs.

    Would you support an increase in PPV costs for the consumer to cover these drug testing costs? Do you think that would fly? Let's say an extra 5 or 10 bucks per PPV. There would be absolute outrage. People would go INSANE if they had to shell out an extra 5 bucks for testing, but they'd have no problem asking a promotion company to shell out 50 million for testing.

    What does that do to the small-time shows and promoters? You think they can afford to pay these extra drug testing costs with their 4-rounders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Yep. I just find it inexcusable to be putting up "dollars and cents" barriers and excuses, when PEDs in boxing could easily lead to tragedies in the ring. Suffice it to say the sport has its inherent dangers already. We don't need to add more. And when you see the vast amounts of money flowing in big fights, excuses make even less sense. Just last night I caught part of "The Fight Game", with Jim Lampley... and he closed with a statement regarding the increasing use of PEDs. It's a real issue, and as humorously posted with a picture a few posts back.... it won't go away even if we bury our heads in the sand.
    I think your boy Tito punching guys with his "cinder-block" hand wraps was more dangerous than any PED you could take.

    You're not acknowledging the fact that the money has to come from somewhere, and increased funds are not going to eliminate PEDs.

    Would you support an increase in PPV costs for the consumer to cover these drug testing costs? Do you think that would fly? Let's say an extra 5 or 10 bucks per PPV. There would be absolute outrage. People would go INSANE if they had to shell out an extra 5 bucks for testing, but they'd have no problem asking a promotion company to shell out 50 million for testing.

    What does that do to the small-time shows and promoters? You think they can afford to pay these extra drug testing costs with their 4-rounders?


    This isn't about your ignorance about boxers, boxing history, or facts in general. It's about the dangers of PED use. If you think the only financial answer is to pass along the cost to the PPV customers, instead of taking a piece of the very large pie consumed by boxers and promoters.... then keep on thinking it. Personally, I'd rather try and do something to solve a very real problem, rather than just sitting with my thumbs up my ass fretting about boxers getting brain damaged.
    Last edited by TitoFan; 12-19-2012 at 03:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Yep. I just find it inexcusable to be putting up "dollars and cents" barriers and excuses, when PEDs in boxing could easily lead to tragedies in the ring. Suffice it to say the sport has its inherent dangers already. We don't need to add more. And when you see the vast amounts of money flowing in big fights, excuses make even less sense. Just last night I caught part of "The Fight Game", with Jim Lampley... and he closed with a statement regarding the increasing use of PEDs. It's a real issue, and as humorously posted with a picture a few posts back.... it won't go away even if we bury our heads in the sand.
    I think your boy Tito punching guys with his "cinder-block" hand wraps was more dangerous than any PED you could take.

    You're not acknowledging the fact that the money has to come from somewhere, and increased funds are not going to eliminate PEDs.

    Would you support an increase in PPV costs for the consumer to cover these drug testing costs? Do you think that would fly? Let's say an extra 5 or 10 bucks per PPV. There would be absolute outrage. People would go INSANE if they had to shell out an extra 5 bucks for testing, but they'd have no problem asking a promotion company to shell out 50 million for testing.

    What does that do to the small-time shows and promoters? You think they can afford to pay these extra drug testing costs with their 4-rounders?


    This isn't about your ignorance about boxers, boxing history, or facts in general. It's about the dangers of PED use. If you think the only financial answer is to pass along the cost to the PPV customers, instead of taking a piece of the very large pie consumed by boxers and promoters.... then keep on thinking it. Personally, I'd rather try and do something to solve a very real problem, rather than just sitting with my thumbs up my ass fretting about boxers getting brain damaged.
    What pie is that? Only about 5% of current active boxers eat well. The rest struggle to get by. Some worse than others. To take another piece of there already shorted purse ain't right and shouldn't be done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Yep. I just find it inexcusable to be putting up "dollars and cents" barriers and excuses, when PEDs in boxing could easily lead to tragedies in the ring. Suffice it to say the sport has its inherent dangers already. We don't need to add more. And when you see the vast amounts of money flowing in big fights, excuses make even less sense. Just last night I caught part of "The Fight Game", with Jim Lampley... and he closed with a statement regarding the increasing use of PEDs. It's a real issue, and as humorously posted with a picture a few posts back.... it won't go away even if we bury our heads in the sand.
    I think your boy Tito punching guys with his "cinder-block" hand wraps was more dangerous than any PED you could take.

    You're not acknowledging the fact that the money has to come from somewhere, and increased funds are not going to eliminate PEDs.

    Would you support an increase in PPV costs for the consumer to cover these drug testing costs? Do you think that would fly? Let's say an extra 5 or 10 bucks per PPV. There would be absolute outrage. People would go INSANE if they had to shell out an extra 5 bucks for testing, but they'd have no problem asking a promotion company to shell out 50 million for testing.

    What does that do to the small-time shows and promoters? You think they can afford to pay these extra drug testing costs with their 4-rounders?


    This isn't about your ignorance about boxers, boxing history, or facts in general. It's about the dangers of PED use. If you think the only financial answer is to pass along the cost to the PPV customers, instead of taking a piece of the very large pie consumed by boxers and promoters.... then keep on thinking it. Personally, I'd rather try and do something to solve a very real problem, rather than just sitting with my thumbs up my ass fretting about boxers getting brain damaged.
    What pie is that? Only about 5% of current active boxers eat well. The rest struggle to get by. Some worse than others. To take another piece of there already shorted purse ain't right and shouldn't be done
    Gotta agree, aside from PBF and Pac nobody get much and the biggest pay any boxer will get is if they fight those two.

    Look at the other p4p stars of boxer, Nonito got pocket change of $1mill against a good draw in Arce. PBF or Pac get 10 to 20 times that and Nonito is a pretty big draw compare to any other boxer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    This isn't about your ignorance about boxers, boxing history, or facts in general. It's about the dangers of PED use. If you think the only financial answer is to pass along the cost to the PPV customers, instead of taking a piece of the very large pie consumed by boxers and promoters.... then keep on thinking it. Personally, I'd rather try and do something to solve a very real problem, rather than just sitting with my thumbs up my ass fretting about boxers getting brain damaged.
    What pie is that? Only about 5% of current active boxers eat well. The rest struggle to get by. Some worse than others. To take another piece of there already shorted purse ain't right and shouldn't be done

    See below. You take a percentage of the promotional revenue, and maybe even draw a line below which you do not take a percentage. This would provide the much needed funds, without taxing the guys on the lower end of the totem pole.



    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Test the top-rated thousand boxers a dozen times a year and it's less than twenty million a year. Pay for it by billing each individual promotion on a sliding scale depending on how much the promotion makes in revenue (obviously Pac Marquez 4 pays a huge slice compared to some non-TV event that features some of the top thousand boxers) and it would work out as a really small promotional expense.

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    Face it. The problem WILL be tackled sooner or later. Sooner would be better, and boxing would be seen as proactive. Later means we would wait until some poor bastard died in the ring from getting hammered by a PED-powered opponent... and then everybody would throw their hands up in the air and say "hey, I guess we better do something."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Yep. I just find it inexcusable to be putting up "dollars and cents" barriers and excuses, when PEDs in boxing could easily lead to tragedies in the ring. Suffice it to say the sport has its inherent dangers already. We don't need to add more. And when you see the vast amounts of money flowing in big fights, excuses make even less sense. Just last night I caught part of "The Fight Game", with Jim Lampley... and he closed with a statement regarding the increasing use of PEDs. It's a real issue, and as humorously posted with a picture a few posts back.... it won't go away even if we bury our heads in the sand.
    I think your boy Tito punching guys with his "cinder-block" hand wraps was more dangerous than any PED you could take.
    See I only have to quote this ^^^^^^ because what follows matters not. One of the biggest urban legends of all time as a premise FFS. Inferring that Tito is some Resto or Margarito. Tito's wraps were signed off 39 times prior to Hopkins and it was a complaint about wrap direction not cement inserts u idiot.

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    Oh and if all else fails change the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Oh and if all else fails change the subject.
    Why don't you address some of the FACTS I brought up?

    And why don't you provide a source for that 20 million estimate that it would cost to drug test 1000 fucking boxers 12 times a year.

    Get informed before you start spouting off on a subject as complex as this.

    I doubt you guys would be able to name 3 different types of steroids without a Google search, and here you are with the solution to end the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Oh and if all else fails change the subject.
    Why don't you address some of the FACTS I brought up?

    And why don't you provide a source for that 20 million estimate that it would cost to drug test 1000 fucking boxers 12 times a year.


    Facts? You wouldn't know a fact if it came up and slapped your pimply face. WTF does your hard-on for Trinidad's wraps have to do with PEDs? That took whatever credibility you were hoping to have right out the window. After that you just become a sad little fool.

    PED testing is expensive, twerp. But having brain-damaged fighters, not to mention the continuing damage to the sport by the PED issue.... is more expensive in the long run. Repeating something I said earlier.... cost should not be an excuse to try and clean up the sport. There's plenty of money in boxing, and some of it can be used for research and/or testing. To do nothing but sit there with your thumbs up your ass.... bellyaching about so-and-so testing positive for PEDs.... is pathetic. Better some action than no action at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Yep. I just find it inexcusable to be putting up "dollars and cents" barriers and excuses, when PEDs in boxing could easily lead to tragedies in the ring. Suffice it to say the sport has its inherent dangers already. We don't need to add more. And when you see the vast amounts of money flowing in big fights, excuses make even less sense. Just last night I caught part of "The Fight Game", with Jim Lampley... and he closed with a statement regarding the increasing use of PEDs. It's a real issue, and as humorously posted with a picture a few posts back.... it won't go away even if we bury our heads in the sand.
    I think your boy Tito punching guys with his "cinder-block" hand wraps was more dangerous than any PED you could take.
    See I only have to quote this ^^^^^^ because what follows matters not. One of the biggest urban legends of all time as a premise FFS. Inferring that Tito is some Resto or Margarito. Tito's wraps were signed off 39 times prior to Hopkins and it was a complaint about wrap direction not cement inserts u idiot.


    Don't confuse him with the facts.


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