Prime Mike Tyson in this era

[IamInuit]

Also it still does not change what i said before hand about Holmes being his best win. Because i pretty sure that Spinks, Thomas and Rudduck i am pretty sure are not better wins then Holmes was.

Spinks is one of the greatest light-heavyweights in history and the Spinks Tyson starched beat a better version of Holmes twice then the Holmes that Tyson fought.

Razor was ducked by many including Tyson who fought Douglas instead. To Tysons credit he did fight Razor after that, got the quick stop by Steele imo and then rematched and won a convincing points win. That Razor would have kicked the shit out of the Holmes Tyson fought or Wlad.

Point is you cant just use resumes/records. Many greats we have no tape of, Greb, Robinson(147), Wilde, Langford etc but Tyson was witnessed. I mean tell me one fighter of note that Holmes fought at their prime? Tyson is the only answer. Tyson walked through a division in about two years. I hated him. Spent money on ppv's wanting to see him get knocked out.

[Mr140]

Sorry but Rudduck could not even win a belt and lost his few attempts that he tried and clearly lost.Say what you want about now its not great but it was only a bit worse compared to that era, both suck compared to 1970s and the 1990's. I am not even a fan of Wlad but that man gets shit on more then any champ i have seen. When people say that Jack Demesey who would not even fight black fighters and was champ in early 1900s would beat Wlad i feel like its a joke or something. As for spinks your right great lhw but at Heavyweight he got gifts over a 36 year old Holmes.

[TysonBomb]

Sorry but Rudduck could not even win a belt and lost his few attempts that he tried and clearly lost.Say what you want about now its not great but it was only a bit worse compared to that era, both suck compared to 1970s and the 1990's. I am not even a fan of Wlad but that man gets shit on more then any champ i have seen. When people say that Jack Demesey who would not even fight black fighters and was champ in early 1900s would beat Wlad i feel like its a joke or something. As for spinks your right great lhw but at Heavyweight he got gifts over a 36 year old Holmes.

Ken Norton never won a belt either, so why is he an ATG again? Belts don't mean anything.

Ruddock was being DUCKED which is why he never got a title shot until after the Tyson fights when he was clearly done at competing at an elite level. Tyson ruined this mans shot.

And Tyson fought Ruddock twice in '91, so clearly you don't even know what decade you are in with your point about the 90s and 70s. Dempsey was a far superior champion to Wlad who is a joke fighting in an era of fat, unathletic, slow heavyweights with trash conditioning and skill. He would get smoked by Ruddock who would leave a trail of broken glass all over the canvas and the arena they would be fighting in.

Never seen anyone get hurt by any single clean shot they get hit with like Waldo ... never seen anyone that concerned about protecting the chin like him either. He's pure Ukranian GLASS.

[Master]

Sorry but Rudduck could not even win a belt and lost his few attempts that he tried and clearly lost.Say what you want about now its not great but it was only a bit worse compared to that era, both suck compared to 1970s and the 1990's. I am not even a fan of Wlad but that man gets shit on more then any champ i have seen. When people say that Jack Demesey who would not even fight black fighters and was champ in early 1900s would beat Wlad i feel like its a joke or something. As for spinks your right great lhw but at Heavyweight he got gifts over a 36 year old Holmes.

Ken Norton never won a belt either, so why is he an ATG again? Belts don't mean anything.

Ruddock was being DUCKED which is why he never got a title shot until after the Tyson fights when he was clearly done at competing at an elite level. Tyson ruined this mans shot.

And Tyson fought Ruddock in '92, so clearly you don't even know what decade you are in with your point about the 90s and 70s. Dempsey was a far superior champion to Wlad who is a joke fighting in an era of fat, unathletic, slow heavyweights with trash conditioning and skill. He would get smoked by Ruddock who would leave a trail of broken glass all over the canvas and the arena they would be fighting in.

Never seen anyone get hurt by any single clean shot they get hit with like Waldo ... never seen anyone that concerned about protecting the chin like him either. He's pure Ukranian GLASS.

Just because Rudduck could not win a belt does not make him rubbish. Tyson effectively ruined him and he was never the same fighter again. The same could be said of Tucker and Briggs.

[Mr140]

Rudduck lost to all the top guys that were in the 1990's so i dont really included him. He got iced by by Lennox and Tommy, why dont you tell me what big win he had make him historic like nortan as well.

[Master]

Rudduck lost to all the top guys that were in the 1990's so i dont really included him. He got iced by by Lennox and Tommy, why dont you tell me what big win he had make him historic like nortan as well.

Rudduck was ruined by Tyson admittedly he was not great but at the time he was very much feared because of his punching power. As Spicoli said he was a one handed fighter and that hand was not used on the jab either. He smashed most people that got in front of him.

[Mr140]

Yea but who did he smash worth a shit i mean lets get real how is he better then now we don't even know how good he was expect losing big fights. You guys shit on Bryde but hell he got wins even if you think he was shit.

[TysonBomb]

People are criminally underrating Tyson.

Almost everybody back then believed that he was clearly on his way to becoming the GOAT and towards smashing all significant heavyweight records ahead of him.

The whole point of Tyson taking on Ruddock was because everybody was ducking him. And then he fought him twice, which was completely ludicrous because he ruined that mans career after that and delayed his own chances at a title shot. He didn't have to take the rematch but Tyson being the naive guy he was didn't want any doubt to surround his TKO victory in the first fight.

Ruddock by his own admission was finished after those fights. He took so much damage that he was never going to be the same fighter again.

What should have happened was that Tyson should've either immediately gotten a rematch with Douglas or that he should've gotten a title at Holyfield after the first Ruddock fight. He was the former champ and most deserving for a title shot. Douglas didn't want to fvck up and ruin the greatest upset in boxing history so he didn't take a rematch, which is understandable, but Tyson deserved more of a title shot than old Foreman.

[Beanflicker]

People are criminally underrating Tyson.

I'm sure a guy named "TysonBomb" will set us all straight. Obviously you are an unbiased, critical thinker when it comes to evaluating Iron Mike Tyson.

I take back what I said about it being a toss-up. I've been rewatching several of Wlad's fights over the past few years and I say prime Wlad beats the shit out of prime Tyson. I don't even think it would be a close fight.

I give Wlad 8/10 wins, the 2 wins for Tyson being he lands a good haymaker.

I don't think Tyson lands with any consistency against Wlad, I think he gets eaten up with jabs and right hands like he did against Buster, and I think he possibly goes down in the later rounds.

If you Tyson marks want to believe he'd just go out and land some leaping left hook on Wlad, that's fine. Live in the fantasy. Wlad's reflexes, speed and footwork negates most of Tyson's offense and he gets eaten alive from the outside.

I love Mike and I always stand up for him when people dog his opposition, because I think he fought a solid variety of guys and really showed he is an all time great, but against either Klitschko he takes a MONUMENTAL beating.

[Beanflicker]

Almost everybody back then believed that he was clearly on his way to becoming the GOAT and towards smashing all significant heavyweight records ahead of him.

Yeah but they didn't account for the fact that he was a complete thug and mental midget outside of the ring.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Larry (abiet an older larry) and many other tall hard hitting long armed fighters with solid chins or not. Lewis was KOed by Rahman his chin cant take Tysons punch. Tysons chin on the other hand is much more likely to hold up..

A retired 40 yr old who had just lost twice to a former LHW and only had 2 months to prepare was comparable to prime SHW lewis LOL.

Yes I mean floored everyone makes a spelling error once in a while its not cool to insult someone based on that. Vitali has a weak punch, buster dougless hits alot harder than vitali. .

How do u get confused with Floored and Flawed!! LOL. And you talking about insulting ppl is laughable! Hypocrite. VK has a 87.23% knockout percentage rate, he holds the second best knockout-to-fight ratio of any champion in heavyweight boxing history.

Dicky Ryan was brutalised by VK yet went the distance with Douglas. Douglas couldn't even stop David Jaco who was knocked out about 9 times around the time Douglas fought him, in fact he was kayoed about 20 times in his career ! LOL. Quit talking shit...

His chin is not iron he has a solid chin and good defense he almost crumbled against sanders, and sanders is no where near as powerful as Tyson. A past prime Tyson took loads of flush shots from Lennox and he never got KOed fully, again another reason why he would beat Lewsis in his prime. .

Tyson was never KOTFO by anyone, missed the count sure never KOTFO and he takes an INSANE number of power punches to be put down. Huge numbers go check how many times danny hit him full power in the head in a row. (Which he never would have done to a prime Tyson with some of the best head movement).

Yes it is iron, He has never been dropped and look who he's faced! SHW behemoth Lewis on short notice, Sanders the hardest hiting southpaw HW ever, Peter who dropped both Toney and Wlad, even hide had riddick Bowe going at one point...Tyson was dropped by small Evander Holyfield and Douglass ffs...

Q. Shannon briggs who is the best fighter you have been in with?

A . Vitali.


Q. Danny Williams who was your toughest ever opponent?

A. "Vitali Klitschko easy. The man is so awkward. You know, you look at him and his style does not look that good. You look at Mayweather and you think ‘wow – what a beautiful boxing style he has got’. Klitschko – he looks ‘novicey’, he looks slow and awkward and clumsy. But when he gets in the ring he is a very good fighter. His punches are so painful, each time he hits you it is like someone is putting steel into your face. He is a real good fighter.”

Bottem line Vitalis chin cannot take Tysons power if he is getting wobbled by much lesser punchers. Dougless hits harder than Vitali, just because he is low ranking in History dosnt mean he isnt a dangerous puncher. .

How on earth can u be so dumb? Course it can...

Green, Tillis, Holyfield, Lewis, Tucker, Smith, Douglas, Ruddock etc al survived Tysons punches but VK cant? A genuine SHW that has never been dropped! Comparing sanders to Tyson is silly because it was his southpaw stance that posed the problem for VK not his power!

Rahman in 2000 said Sanders hit him harder than he's ever been hit in his ENTIRE LIFE. And Rahman has faced some heavy hitters, Lennox Lewis, David Tua, Evander Holyfield, Oleg Maskaev, to name a few...

Sanders did not drop Vitali. Sanders landed the most perfect punch he could possibly land and still Vitali was fully recovered in matter of seconds. He ran back and was pretty much in balance. KO Vitali it takes something extraordinary.

IN CONCLUSION VITALI DOSNT HAVE THE CHIN OR THE POWER OR THE STYLE OR THE SPEED TO HOLD UP AGAINST A PRIME TYSON.

In conclusion u have not got a clue what u are talking about. A great chin and a solid jab was all it took..

[Master]

Almost everybody back then believed that he was clearly on his way to becoming the GOAT and towards smashing all significant heavyweight records ahead of him.

Yeah but they didn't account for the fact that he was a complete thug and mental midget outside of the ring.

Yes he was but in the ring he was great. It is not as if he is going to marry your daughter.

[Beanflicker]

I like boxers with a mean streak, but it's hard to be a great boxer when you can't box because you're locked up for raping a girl (ask Ibeabuchi or Tony Ayala).

[THE THIRD MAN]

Those with short memories will dismiss Tyson's chances against the Klits, a prime 1986-89 Tyson beats all of them including the Klits.

[Mr140]

Well Tyson crushing cans few ok fighters and atg who was past his beast does not mean he could beat a elite fighter. I mean he lost to Douglas for fuck sake Wlad lost to people who he should not have either. I mean Wlad may not have fought great fighters so its kinda of a unknown. Tyson Has fought greats like Holyfeild and Lewis but those fighters crushed him. I never seen fighter ranked so high on some people list with out the resume to back it up. Ali, Foreman, Lewis and Holyfeild beat great fighters and were competitive for a long time thats what made them great.