Tavoris Cloud vs. Bernard Hopkins - Saturday night chat/fight thread

[Onetime]

Paulie full of if it, he took 350,000 for Cano, now you are telling me Golden Boy, Haymon and HBO can't get Paulie more than that for a Thurman fight.

[CFH]

I watched the fight last night, B hop did what he needed to do and I'm happy that he won. Who's next for B hop now? How would he shape up against Cleverly?

Hopkins would get his first knockout in almost a decade.

[Galaxy]

Thurman's fight was an eliminator for Bradley's trinket

What happens here? Do GBP & Top Rank work together? Or does Bradley vacate?

Lets hope they work together to make this fight happen

[Onetime]

Thurman's fight was an eliminator for Bradley's trinket

What happens here? Do GBP & Top Rank work together? Or does Bradley vacate?

Lets hope they work together to make this fight happen

He will vacate, Thurman means a lot to many powerful people and Arum still knows Bradley is worth money against Manny, Rios or JMM.

[Kirkland Laing]

Hopkins says he's going to retire before he's 50 and that he wants to fight Cleverly. He'll win too even if it's in Britain. Paulie was funny at the presser with the Everlast comment, haven't heard that one for years. Bradley won't vacate but I'm not sure the WBO even order a purse bid for a Bradley-Thurman fight

[Master]

Hopkins says he's going to retire before he's 50 and that he wants to fight Cleverly. He'll win too even if it's in Britain. Paulie was funny at the presser with the Everlast comment, haven't heard that one for years. Bradley won't vacate but I'm not sure the WBO even order a purse bid for a Bradley-Thurman fight

Thurman would batter Bradley.

[Kirkland Laing]

Hopkins says he's going to retire before he's 50 and that he wants to fight Cleverly. He'll win too even if it's in Britain. Paulie was funny at the presser with the Everlast comment, haven't heard that one for years. Bradley won't vacate but I'm not sure the WBO even order a purse bid for a Bradley-Thurman fight

Thurman would batter Bradley.

I think Breadly beats Thurman quite easily. Don't see it happening any time soon though.

[johnsebastianmiran]

I am not a fan Of Hopkins but congratulations he did his homework and used his experience to beat Cloud. Imust saqy this that I thought Cloud was better than this but I hold judgment because I only saw him once before and it was a lackluster fight so I said anyone could have an off night. Maybe! If I were Cloud I would do some soul searching and go back to the drawing board. He let B Hop psyche him out.

[armin]

I am not a fan Of Hopkins but congratulations he did his homework and used his experience to beat Cloud. Imust saqy this that I thought Cloud was better than this but I hold judgment because I only saw him once before and it was a lackluster fight so I said anyone could have an off night. Maybe! If I were Cloud I would do some soul searching and go back to the drawing board. He let B Hop psyche him out.

Meh cloud is what he is, campillo did the same thing against him except he wasn't a name so he got shafted by the judges.

[jon09]

I would love to see Hopkins vs Froch when all the smoke clears.

[bigstinkybug]

Hopkins has to be acknowledged as a top 5 p4p of all time.

top 5...! all time...! cuz he beat Tarvaris cloud? lol...

[DavilaJones]

Hopkins has to be acknowledged as a top 5 p4p of all time.

top 5...! all time...! cuz he beat Tarvaris cloud? lol...

How about the longest middleweight regin in history in addition to being the oldest champ twice.

[bigstinkybug]

Hopkins has to be acknowledged as a top 5 p4p of all time.

top 5...! all time...! cuz he beat Tarvaris cloud? lol...

How about the longest middleweight regin in history in addition to being the oldest champ twice.

*it's a nice win at his age... that's it. ATG, sure... but let's not get ridiculous.
Hop beat alot of ok fighters at middleweight.. nothing special... he fought DeLaHoya and Trinidad ,who at best, are welterweights... when faced with a true middleweight in Jermain Taylor, he lost twice...
u'd have more of a argument if he had beat Calzaghi... Dawson... but even then,#5! ... u meant #25.



p.s... Hopkins is probably top #5 dirtiest fighters in history...ALL TIME.

[IamInuit]

Hopkins has to be acknowledged as a top 5 p4p of all time.

top 5...! all time...! cuz he beat Tarvaris cloud? lol...

Fought Roy Jones to start his real march on the middleweight division in 93 getting close to age 30 and won more rounds off him then anyone did before or after while in his prime.

He then wins the IBF tin in 1995 at age 30.

He goes on to defend his title 7 times in two years and then 5 more times prior to the beginning of the King sponsored middleweight tourney.

At age 35 he enters the tourney, cleans Keith Holmes clock and unifies with the WBC in the process.

Next while nearing 36 he takes on a guy (Tito) that it is said he has no chance against and completely shuts him down further unifying grabbing the WBA strap.

He defends his titles 4 more times and then at age 40 he unifies once again against Oscar and becomes the first unified/undisputed middleweight champion since Hagler. Sure it should have been Sturm but he stopped Oscar who was never stopped.

At age 41 he then defends his undisputed mid crown against Hbo’s poster child in Taylor back to back in 5 months and getting the short end of the stick in both. I have always thought that if Taylor did enough in the second fight then Bernard did enough in the first to retain.

At this point, it’s already a hall of fame career on the first ballet.

But no not for this competitor.

At 42, he jumps up two divisions and destroys the man who beat the man and makes it look rather pedestrian in the process.

Fights an ugly fight with Winky at 43 and then goes 12 with Calzaghe at 44 losing an sd regardless of how we individuals scored it.

Next he drops down in weight and fights the new middleweight destroyer of worlds in Pavlik and goes about to put on one of the best boxing clinics that I have ever seen.

He has a couple of meaningless fights at 45 and 46 thereabouts and then fights Pascal twice in 6 months scoring a draw and a win.

He loses to Dawson fighting him twice in 6 months at age 47 and then at 48 goes on to embarrass Cloud.

Given his age etc etc can you think of another save Moore that has even came close to these achievements? I don’t do p4p lists but for beanflicker to list him on his top 5 is not some giant leap of faith. Its both valid and relevant.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Hopkins is a great fighter - maybe even a living legend (he's old enough), but top 5 talk is crazy. I mean, you can give him a glowing report but the same can be done for dozens of other fighters.