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    Default Re: Wlad....... please retire for the good of boxing.

    Quote Originally Posted by imp View Post
    He has all the tools and the advantages over his opponents but doesnt use them as he is simply not that type of fighter.
    I liked your comment, but here's where we differ. I think Wlad DOES use all the strengths he has vs his opponents. Which is why people complain about him...he's tall and doesn't give up his height. He's got long arms and doesn't give up his reach. He's strong and heavy and he uses his body to wear down an opponent and he's got great footwork and he moves well cutting down the ring or evading an attack.

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    Wlad is a great HW champ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by imp View Post
    He has all the tools and the advantages over his opponents but doesnt use them as he is simply not that type of fighter.
    I liked your comment, but here's where we differ. I think Wlad DOES use all the strengths he has vs his opponents. Which is why people complain about him...he's tall and doesn't give up his height. He's got long arms and doesn't give up his reach. He's strong and heavy and he uses his body to wear down an opponent and he's got great footwork and he moves well cutting down the ring or evading an attack.
    True.

    But another type of fighter with those same attributes would probably attack more or risk more to achieve a knockout.

    Thats prob where the masses have an issue with Wlad and possibly the fact that his older brother fights alittle differently doesnt help compress those "killer instinct" views.
    Imho i neither like or dislike wlad style anymore as it simply like paint and it gets the job done.

    I thought david haye might have had the best chance by unleashing one of those hayemakers which i believe would have finished the fight but to be honest lets look at why he couldnt do that. There are two fighters in the ring and Wlad, no matter how boring we may think he is nulified hayes workrate and like hopkins used his style to dictate the fight.

    It would be a very boring world if everyone was the same, so rather than waiting for Wlad to change his style just accept it and hope that a better opponent comes along that is in just as good condition as the current champ is.

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    Default Re: Wlad....... please retire for the good of boxing.

    Quote Originally Posted by imp View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by imp View Post
    He has all the tools and the advantages over his opponents but doesnt use them as he is simply not that type of fighter.
    I liked your comment, but here's where we differ. I think Wlad DOES use all the strengths he has vs his opponents. Which is why people complain about him...he's tall and doesn't give up his height. He's got long arms and doesn't give up his reach. He's strong and heavy and he uses his body to wear down an opponent and he's got great footwork and he moves well cutting down the ring or evading an attack.
    True.

    But another type of fighter with those same attributes would probably attack more or risk more to achieve a knockout.

    Thats prob where the masses have an issue with Wlad and possibly the fact that his older brother fights alittle differently doesnt help compress those "killer instinct" views.
    Imho i neither like or dislike wlad style anymore as it simply like paint and it gets the job done.

    I thought david haye might have had the best chance by unleashing one of those hayemakers which i believe would have finished the fight but to be honest lets look at why he couldnt do that. There are two fighters in the ring and Wlad, no matter how boring we may think he is nulified hayes workrate and like hopkins used his style to dictate the fight.

    It would be a very boring world if everyone was the same, so rather than waiting for Wlad to change his style just accept it and hope that a better opponent comes along that is in just as good condition as the current champ is.
    @imp - but, Wladimir has a 80% KO ratio, compare that to the other dominant fighters of this era: Floyd - 60%, Martinez - 52%, Marquez - 64%, Pacquiao - 62%, and when has Hopkins knocked out anyone recently?

    Game is to hit and not be hit, right? Wladimir does that well. It's unfair to say that he is wrong for it, but other fighters aren't. Isn't it?
    Last edited by Rantcatrat; 04-26-2013 at 08:42 PM.

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    Default Re: Wlad....... please retire for the good of boxing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by imp View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by imp View Post
    He has all the tools and the advantages over his opponents but doesnt use them as he is simply not that type of fighter.
    I liked your comment, but here's where we differ. I think Wlad DOES use all the strengths he has vs his opponents. Which is why people complain about him...he's tall and doesn't give up his height. He's got long arms and doesn't give up his reach. He's strong and heavy and he uses his body to wear down an opponent and he's got great footwork and he moves well cutting down the ring or evading an attack.
    True.

    But another type of fighter with those same attributes would probably attack more or risk more to achieve a knockout.

    Thats prob where the masses have an issue with Wlad and possibly the fact that his older brother fights alittle differently doesnt help compress those "killer instinct" views.
    Imho i neither like or dislike wlad style anymore as it simply like paint and it gets the job done.

    I thought david haye might have had the best chance by unleashing one of those hayemakers which i believe would have finished the fight but to be honest lets look at why he couldnt do that. There are two fighters in the ring and Wlad, no matter how boring we may think he is nulified hayes workrate and like hopkins used his style to dictate the fight.

    It would be a very boring world if everyone was the same, so rather than waiting for Wlad to change his style just accept it and hope that a better opponent comes along that is in just as good condition as the current champ is.
    @imp - but, Wladimir has a 80% KO ratio, compare that to the other dominant fighters of this era: Floyd - 60%, Martinez - 52%, Marquez - 64%, Pacquiao - 62%, and when has Hopkins knocked out anyone recently?

    Game is to hit and not be hit, right? Wladimir does that well. It's unfair to say that he is wrong for it, but other fighters aren't. Isn't it?
    You can't really compare a Heavyweight KO ratio the lower weight classes

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    Quote Originally Posted by KickMuck View Post
    You can't really compare a Heavyweight KO ratio the lower weight classes
    Why not? There are power punchers at other weight classes too. Wlad just knows how to punch and he knows how to box, he's a special talent no matter what any of his critics say.

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    Default Re: Wlad....... please retire for the good of boxing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by imp View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by imp View Post
    He has all the tools and the advantages over his opponents but doesnt use them as he is simply not that type of fighter.
    I liked your comment, but here's where we differ. I think Wlad DOES use all the strengths he has vs his opponents. Which is why people complain about him...he's tall and doesn't give up his height. He's got long arms and doesn't give up his reach. He's strong and heavy and he uses his body to wear down an opponent and he's got great footwork and he moves well cutting down the ring or evading an attack.
    True.

    But another type of fighter with those same attributes would probably attack more or risk more to achieve a knockout.

    Thats prob where the masses have an issue with Wlad and possibly the fact that his older brother fights alittle differently doesnt help compress those "killer instinct" views.
    Imho i neither like or dislike wlad style anymore as it simply like paint and it gets the job done.

    I thought david haye might have had the best chance by unleashing one of those hayemakers which i believe would have finished the fight but to be honest lets look at why he couldnt do that. There are two fighters in the ring and Wlad, no matter how boring we may think he is nulified hayes workrate and like hopkins used his style to dictate the fight.

    It would be a very boring world if everyone was the same, so rather than waiting for Wlad to change his style just accept it and hope that a better opponent comes along that is in just as good condition as the current champ is.
    @imp - but, Wladimir has a 80% KO ratio, compare that to the other dominant fighters of this era: Floyd - 60%, Martinez - 52%, Marquez - 64%, Pacquiao - 62%, and when has Hopkins knocked out anyone recently?

    Game is to hit and not be hit, right? Wladimir does that well. It's unfair to say that he is wrong for it, but other fighters aren't. Isn't it?
    Rant, some might say take a look at the 80%
    Im not saying that but some might say that.

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