Martinez vs Murray - Who won?

[TitoFan]

I think you can make a case for either fighter. But.... Murray, knowing they were fighting in Argentina for heaven sakes... should've kept up the pressure in the last 2 rounds. He didn't, and he lost. Anyway, it was a tremendous showing by Murray.

You cant actually believe that my friend. Tell me how he lost the 12th? Tell me how he lost the fight. He gave up the first 2 rounds sure but this is another example of a Hbo poster boy robbing the man that beat him.

It's not so much a matter of him losing the 12th, as it was him not going out and winning it. Sounds like the same thing, but it's not. IamInuit, you can't lose sight of the fact that they were fighting in Argentina. Murray had the momentum... he just had to seize control and not give it up. (BTW, I agree that the second Martinez fall was a legitimate KD. The ref blew that call big time).

[IamInuit]

I think you can make a case for either fighter. But.... Murray, knowing they were fighting in Argentina for heaven sakes... should've kept up the pressure in the last 2 rounds. He didn't, and he lost. Anyway, it was a tremendous showing by Murray.

You cant actually believe that my friend. Tell me how he lost the 12th? Tell me how he lost the fight. He gave up the first 2 rounds sure but this is another example of a Hbo poster boy robbing the man that beat him.

It's not so much a matter of him losing the 12th, as it was him not going out and winning it. Sounds like the same thing, but it's not. IamInuit, you can't lose sight of the fact that they were fighting in Argentina. Murray had the momentum... he just had to seize control and not give it up. (BTW, I agree that the second Martinez fall was a legitimate KD. The ref blew that call big time).

That actually gets to me after awhile cause it seems so situational. Murray beat Martinez better then Leonard beat Hagler.

[TitoFan]

I think you can make a case for either fighter. But.... Murray, knowing they were fighting in Argentina for heaven sakes... should've kept up the pressure in the last 2 rounds. He didn't, and he lost. Anyway, it was a tremendous showing by Murray.

You cant actually believe that my friend. Tell me how he lost the 12th? Tell me how he lost the fight. He gave up the first 2 rounds sure but this is another example of a Hbo poster boy robbing the man that beat him.

It's not so much a matter of him losing the 12th, as it was him not going out and winning it. Sounds like the same thing, but it's not. IamInuit, you can't lose sight of the fact that they were fighting in Argentina. Murray had the momentum... he just had to seize control and not give it up. (BTW, I agree that the second Martinez fall was a legitimate KD. The ref blew that call big time).

That actually gets to me after awhile cause it seems so situational. Murray beat Martinez better then Leonard beat Hagler.

TBH, I would've been just as satisfied had Murray gotten the decision. But IMO, corners need to better impress upon their fighters the importance of closing the show. Had Murray fought with the urgency he had displayed earlier in the fight, he would've left no doubt. Notice also that he was relatively subdued after the fight, although I realize he's a gentleman, and not one to cry about bad decisions.

[Hulk]

Martinez won the fight, but barely.

Murray dropped him clean after Sergio was getn cocky with his hands down and not out of fighting distance.

He looked to have lost a step tonight, but he hasn't lost any of his championship heart. He eeked out the decision, but a year ago even he would have dominated Murray as he did Barker and Macklin, who by the way HBO were trying to give those fights to AGAINST Sergio. This was by no means some grand HBO conspiracy of bias for Sergio, they've tried to screw him in the past.

[CFH]

Martinez won the fight, but barely.

Murray dropped him clean after Sergio was getn cocky with his hands down and not out of fighting distance.

He looked to have lost a step tonight, but he hasn't lost any of his championship heart. He eeked out the decision, but a year ago even he would have dominated Murray as he did Barker and Macklin, who by the way HBO were trying to give those fights to AGAINST Sergio. This was by no means some grand HBO conspiracy of bias for Sergio, they've tried to screw him in the past.

Martinez didn't dominate Barker. He was outboxed and frustrated for most of that fight. You could probably argue that he was behind at the time of the stoppage.

[ICB]

Martinez won the fight, but barely.

Murray dropped him clean after Sergio was getn cocky with his hands down and not out of fighting distance.

He looked to have lost a step tonight, but he hasn't lost any of his championship heart. He eeked out the decision, but a year ago even he would have dominated Murray as he did Barker and Macklin, who by the way HBO were trying to give those fights to AGAINST Sergio. This was by no means some grand HBO conspiracy of bias for Sergio, they've tried to screw him in the past.

Martinez didn't dominate Barker. He was outboxed and frustrated for most of that fight. You could probably argue that he was behind at the time of the stoppage.

Didn't Barker also break Martinez's nose aswell ? you could also argue Barker easily won 4 rounds in the fight aswell.

As for the thread Murray won and comfortably aswell, and if the 2nd knockdown had been scored there wouldn't be any doubt.

Murray landed the better quality shots, hurt Martinez and dropped him twice. And also had the much better defense, i don't really see how anyone can see Martinez winning, for most of the fight he was clowning and getting outboxed.

[Kirkland Laing]

Martinez won the fight, but barely.

Murray dropped him clean after Sergio was getn cocky with his hands down and not out of fighting distance.

He looked to have lost a step tonight, but he hasn't lost any of his championship heart. He eeked out the decision, but a year ago even he would have dominated Murray as he did Barker and Macklin, who by the way HBO were trying to give those fights to AGAINST Sergio. This was by no means some grand HBO conspiracy of bias for Sergio, they've tried to screw him in the past.

Martinez didn't dominate Barker. He was outboxed and frustrated for most of that fight. You could probably argue that he was behind at the time of the stoppage.

Didn't Barker also break Martinez's nose aswell ? you could also argue Barker easily won 4 rounds in the fight aswell.

As for the thread Murray won and comfortably aswell, and if the 2nd knockdown had been scored there wouldn't be any doubt.

Murray landed the better quality shots, hurt Martinez and dropped him twice. And also had the much better defense, i don't really see how anyone can see Martinez winning, for most of the fight he was clowning and getting outboxed.

The WBC actually used instant replay to look at the second knockdown and hilariously concluded that it was a slip. Fuck the WBC.

[Hulk]

Martinez won the fight, but barely.

Murray dropped him clean after Sergio was getn cocky with his hands down and not out of fighting distance.

He looked to have lost a step tonight, but he hasn't lost any of his championship heart. He eeked out the decision, but a year ago even he would have dominated Murray as he did Barker and Macklin, who by the way HBO were trying to give those fights to AGAINST Sergio. This was by no means some grand HBO conspiracy of bias for Sergio, they've tried to screw him in the past.

Martinez didn't dominate Barker. He was outboxed and frustrated for most of that fight. You could probably argue that he was behind at the time of the stoppage.

Didn't Barker also break Martinez's nose aswell ? you could also argue Barker easily won 4 rounds in the fight aswell.

As for the thread Murray won and comfortably aswell, and if the 2nd knockdown had been scored there wouldn't be any doubt.

Murray landed the better quality shots, hurt Martinez and dropped him twice. And also had the much better defense, i don't really see how anyone can see Martinez winning, for most of the fight he was clowning and getting outboxed.

Barker was far from winning the fight. He got KO'd and it shut HBO up. Was very satisfying.

[ray corso]

Sergio won by 1 or 2 points!!! They both sucked, no one put their ballz down to take over the fight! Murray wouldn't punch "with him" and if he did Sergio would have been stopped! Sergio was flat and looked like he didn't spar a round! As I've said for sometime now Sergio knows how to box and outscore an opponent but he is NOT a great fighter and he can be beaten by someone who's willing to punch with him. Murray would step in and throw 1 or 2 punches then bounce out!!!....WHY?
He didn't get countered Sergio didn't do crap except move away Murray should have STAYED on him, he didn't! Crappy fight, boring action, low skill levels especially for a Middleweight Title Fight!

Theres a reason why Boxing isn't at the hights anymore! There are no fighters who come to lay it on the line!! Either the guy is a runner or the pressure guy simply doesn't throw enough punches. Which is what last night bout was all about!!! Boring!! Ray.

[mrbig1]

I had the fight a draw. Could have gone either way. I think a rematch is in order.

[IamInuit]

I think you can make a case for either fighter. But.... Murray, knowing they were fighting in Argentina for heaven sakes... should've kept up the pressure in the last 2 rounds. He didn't, and he lost. Anyway, it was a tremendous showing by Murray.

You cant actually believe that my friend. Tell me how he lost the 12th? Tell me how he lost the fight. He gave up the first 2 rounds sure but this is another example of a Hbo poster boy robbing the man that beat him.

It's not so much a matter of him losing the 12th, as it was him not going out and winning it. Sounds like the same thing, but it's not. IamInuit, you can't lose sight of the fact that they were fighting in Argentina. Murray had the momentum... he just had to seize control and not give it up. (BTW, I agree that the second Martinez fall was a legitimate KD. The ref blew that call big time).

That actually gets to me after awhile cause it seems so situational. Murray beat Martinez better then Leonard beat Hagler.

TBH, I would've been just as satisfied had Murray gotten the decision. But IMO, corners need to better impress upon their fighters the importance of closing the show. Had Murray fought with the urgency he had displayed earlier in the fight, he would've left no doubt. Notice also that he was relatively subdued after the fight, although I realize he's a gentleman, and not one to cry about bad decisions.

Closing the show went out with 15 rd fights and powdered wigs. He won the 12th, dominated the middle and late rounds, knocking him down once arguably twice. The fight was not all that close to me and the fact that this group of refs had it the other way by 3 makes me want to puke and its not because I'm some Murray homer.

[TitoFan]

I will say one thing. I hope he never gets the idea of giving JCC Jr. a rematch. I hated the size difference the first time around, and after seeing Martinez look old and vulnerable against Murray, I have a feeling Junior would murder him in a rematch. And I'd rather undergo root canal without anaesthesia than see Junior get a freebie, big name, over-the-hill scalp under his belt.

[Dia bando]

Yes it was a home town win, Murray won the fight but it's how it goes, Martinez looked OLD he
was very lucky Murray is not a big puncher.
Good performance by Murray, Martinez is showing his age indeed he is.!

[Tam Seddon]

Couldn't watch any fights last night I really want to watch this one, happy that Murray put in a good performance !

[Violent Demise]

I had Martinez winning. Barely. He banked enough early rounds and took the last 2. Murray inactivity in the early rounds were his downfall. But he does get credit. He did way better than I expected him to. I think he could of pulled it off if he would of let his hands go more.

Martinez is very close to being done. The Chavez fight took a lot out of him. He needs to start looking in calling it quits. Cuz I would not favor him in a Chavez rematch or against Alvarez, Golovkin or Quillin. I think even Murray could take him in a rematch