Can froch now legitimately claim to be remembered as better than Calzaghe

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He's beaten better names at Super Middleweight than Calzaghe ever did.

Jermain Taylor
Andre Dirrell
Arthur Abraham
Jean Pascal
Lucian Bute
Mikkel Kessler
Glen Johnson

Apart from Mikkel Kessler obviously who on Calzaghe's list at Super Middleweight really compares with them names ?

Chris Eubank maybe but Eubank was weight drained and not in his prime, still a good win for Calzaghe. But other names like Woodhall, Reid, Lacy, don't really compare IMO.

And Reid and Woodhall were both coming off bad losses, Reid lost his title to a 42 year old Thulani Malinga in one of the worst world title fights i've ever seen.

And Woodhall had just lost to Markus Beyer, being decked 3 times by a fighter not known to be a hard hitter.

Calzaghe maybe the better skilled fighter, but Froch is more willing to fight the top boys and has beaten more dangerous fighters at Super Middleweight IMO.

Seriously whats behind those names? You wont see a Cal fan boasting about beating Roy Jones.

Taylor. Had no business being in the tourney and was ruined about 4 years earlier in the second Hopkins fight and barely snuck by Ouma and Spinks. That version of Taylor would have never made it to 12 rounds with Joe.

Dirrell. Did Carl actually win that fight? Well its open for debate imo. And btw with a 13 and 0 record he had no business being in that tourney either.

Abraham. Not only was he a career middleweight prior to the tourney but was and is perhaps the most over hyped, overrated, 6 minute, one dimensional rinse and repeat plodder of this generation.

Try to imagine Joe against Abe or Taylor. He'd be charged afterward for cruel and unusual punishment.

Pascal. Great win and a great fight.

Bute. Well imo Bute folded and completely fell apart but that's not Carls problem. Solid win.
And its worth mentioning that after the Bute fight many people including on this forum suggested Bute was a homer who hid out in Quebec and was out of his league. Well if that's the case then the win over him is no big deal.

Kessler. I don't think anybody today beats the Kessler that Cal beat and that includes Ward. Don't want to deflect away from Carls great win last night but it was pretty obvious to me that it was not even the same Kessler that he fought the first time.

Johnson. I love the Road Warrior but lets be honest here, he was beyond gate keeper status when he fought Carl. He was also 42 and career lightheavyweight. Glen looked like a worn out catchers mit when he made 168 and Carl could only manage a ud.

Its not a given that Carl beats Reid, Woodhall, Eubank or even Veit or Lacy. Frochs style is far more suited for all of them then Joe's was.

As far as head to head goes Carl and Joe could fight 10 times in their primes and Joe wins 10 outta 10. Joe defended his title more then any person in history and dominated the 168 division more then anyone before or since. He never ducked a soul and I challenge anyone to say who he ducked and when he could have fought them once again. There is this eternal suggestion every time the mans name comes up that he never fought some phantom player in his day. Who? When? Sorry but Sven Ottke will not wash

You can slate Froch's opposition all you want, but the fact is there more household names than Calzaghe's best wins at Super Middleweight. Sorry but you think Woodhall, Veit, Lacy, would give Froch trouble ? really ? in all honesty he'd smash them to pieces. I think he'd beat Reid and it all depends on what Euabnk turned up.

As for your last comment there's few names he could of fought, but he didn't duck them. But he could of made more of an effort to travel, and he could of moved up to Light Heavyweight where all the big names were. He said for years he was tight at the weight yet he was happy just to beat up the Tocker Pudwill's of this world.

I don't think anyone thinks Froch is better in a head to head sense, although i think Froch would give him problems. It's the fact Froch is more of a warrior willing to fight the best, and travel which make's his record better and more likable and more willing to root for.