Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

[Mr140]

Bean both Holyfeild and Lewis were able to carry one way longer and after there primes. I am just saying Tyson burnt out and could not carry on or better himself when other greats have been able to . The guys you mention were old as dust by the time they were losing badly not a good comparison.

[Master]

Bean both Holyfeild and Lewis were able to carry one way longer and after there primes. I am just saying Tyson burnt out and could not carry on or better himself when other greats have been able to . The guys you mention were old as dust by the time they were losing badly not a good comparison.

Tyson was the type of fighter that was going to have a short prime, like Fraiser or Rocky they burn out. At his best he was better than Holyfield and Lewis could ever be.

[cambay411]

Bean both Holyfeild and Lewis were able to carry one way longer and after there primes. I am just saying Tyson burnt out and could not carry on or better himself when other greats have been able to . The guys you mention were old as dust by the time they were losing badly not a good comparison.

Tyson was the type of fighter that was going to have a short prime, like Fraiser or Rocky they burn out. At his best he was better than Holyfield and Lewis could ever be.

Tyson never really took a lot of damage tho. What did him I more than anything was prison time.

He looked like shit after he got out. And honestly imo the best he looked after prison was the second Holyfield fight which of course sadly ended early.

And lets be fair to Tyson, Holyfield was head butting the crap out of him. I remember a lot of people on here praising Floyd for sucker punching Ortiz because Ortiz was head butting him. Cant praise one fighter for not putting up with it and then trash another fighter.

And to say Tyson was afraid to lose and just wanted an exuse is bs. Look at Tyson in Holyfield vs Tyson 1 and look at the shape Tyson is in for Holyfield Tyson 2 and tell me Tyson didn't want that fight bad.

Tyson is just a crazy dumbass who screwed himself over.

Not to mention Holyfield was likely on juice.

[Master]

Truthfully Tyson was deteriorating after Rooney left. His life was falling a part with Givens and King taking advantage. Prison may have extended his career.

[Spicoli]

Bean both Holyfeild and Lewis were able to carry one way longer and after there primes. I am just saying Tyson burnt out and could not carry on or better himself when other greats have been able to . The guys you mention were old as dust by the time they were losing badly not a good comparison.

Tyson was the type of fighter that was going to have a short prime, like Fraiser or Rocky they burn out. At his best he was better than Holyfield and Lewis could ever be.

Tyson never really took a lot of damage tho. What did him I more than anything was prison time.

He looked like shit after he got out. And honestly imo the best he looked after prison was the second Holyfield fight which of course sadly ended early.

And lets be fair to Tyson, Holyfield was head butting the crap out of him. I remember a lot of people on here praising Floyd for sucker punching Ortiz because Ortiz was head butting him. Cant praise one fighter for not putting up with it and then trash another fighter.

And to say Tyson was afraid to lose and just wanted an exuse is bs. Look at Tyson in Holyfield vs Tyson 1 and look at the shape Tyson is in for Holyfield Tyson 2 and tell me Tyson didn't want that fight bad.

Tyson is just a crazy dumbass who screwed himself over.

Not to mention Holyfield was likely on juice.

I just cannot see a fighter intentionally crank arms among other things and go out of my way to 'be fair to him'. Tyson had much more to worry about than Holyfields head and he could not cope. Instead of removing a guy from his sences in one of the few sports where its encouraged and he was world renound for it...he choked..he was out fought and he went off the deep end in a desperate hope of getting Holyfield out of his game. I was never one to say he went 'insane' like was often repeated...he knew exactly what he was doing, both times.

[Mr140]

Master in Tyson prime he could not prove he was better then Holyfeild or Lewis because he fought a lot of cans to be honest. I know hes your favorite fighter but in prime he lost to fucking Douglas. Yea he may of under trained but its no excuse he lost to a fighter he was a 40 1 favorite to win. As for the second Holyfeild fight Tyson was losing and looked for a way out he was mental weak fighter. Also for the juice thing been over it did Holyfeild test for it before or after the fight if not well shit he broke no rules. Tyson never fought a caliber of a Holyfeild or Lewis in his so called prime not even close to them in skill. Saying that master how can you say he was way better in prime when he beat jack shit really compared to Holyfeild, Lewis, Ali, and Foreman. I just don't understand the reasoning most other fighters who lost there big fights don't get amped as much not even close to it.

[cambay411]

Master in Tyson prime he could not prove he was better then Holyfeild or Lewis because he fought a lot of cans to be honest. I know hes your favorite fighter but in prime he lost to fucking Douglas. Yea he may of under trained but its no excuse he lost to a fighter he was a 40 1 favorite to win. As for the second Holyfeild fight Tyson was losing and looked for a way out he was mental weak fighter. Also for the juice thing been over it did Holyfeild test for it before or after the fight if not well shit he broke no rules. Tyson never fought a caliber of a Holyfeild or Lewis in his so called prime not even close to them in skill. Saying that master how can you say he was way better in prime when he beat jack shit really compared to Holyfeild, Lewis, Ali, and Foreman. I just don't understand the reasoning most other fighters who lost there big fights don't get amped as much not even close to it.

All big time boxers are fed fighters. Of course some like Holyfield have also taken, fought and conquered the big challenges.

But Tyson had 44 KO's, 23 or more in the first round. You cant just say "well it was against lower caliber fighters". All big time fighters have fought just as many lower caliber fighters and none have over 20 first round KO's.

Tyson was a killer. Albiet a mentally weak killer who was his own worste enemy.

Has for the second Holyfield fight, maybe he did just want a way out. The only one who truly knows is Tyson. But imo, the look in his eyes, combined with the shape he was in, he looked like a Tyson we had yet seen. And it was a shame what he did. That fight wasn't being dominated by Holyfield. He was winning yes but Tyson was also starting to land.

And as far as prison prolonging Tyson's career, it could have if he was smart. But he was not even close to being the same Tyson when he got out. We didn't see anything close to prime Tyson until Holyfield 2. Then after that he went down hill again.

[johnsebastianmiran]

I do not want to compare Mike to anyone at this point because it's been done to death but I will mention this as I have pointed out in the past, Mike was a high energy fighter and to delve even further these types need inspiration and once this inspiration is gone so is their skill level so Rooney on the plus side and Robbing Givens on the minus side and neither of them met in the middle.

[Boxer4life]

Bean both Holyfeild and Lewis were able to carry one way longer and after there primes. I am just saying Tyson burnt out and could not carry on or better himself when other greats have been able to . The guys you mention were old as dust by the time they were losing badly not a good comparison.

Tyson was the type of fighter that was going to have a short prime, like Fraiser or Rocky they burn out. At his best he was better than Holyfield and Lewis could ever be.

cocaine and prostitutes had more to do with his burn out than "his style" or the "type of fighter" he was. It was his personality not his fighting that caused him to burn out, but to assume a man that fights aggressive has to live an explosive life is just silly, obviously he did, but that was a personal choice, hes had years of discipline and work ethic, he just chose to mess it up. where im coming from is that if he didn't, these guys couldn't touch him. He went on record himself stating that to maintain that type of style, he couldn't have a life outside the ring(translation: cant party your ass off)

[cambay411]

Bean both Holyfeild and Lewis were able to carry one way longer and after there primes. I am just saying Tyson burnt out and could not carry on or better himself when other greats have been able to . The guys you mention were old as dust by the time they were losing badly not a good comparison.

Tyson was the type of fighter that was going to have a short prime, like Fraiser or Rocky they burn out. At his best he was better than Holyfield and Lewis could ever be.

cocaine and prostitutes had more to do with his burn out than "his style" or the "type of fighter" he was. It was his personality not his fighting that caused him to burn out, but to assume a man that fights aggressive has to live an explosive life is just silly, obviously he did, but that was a personal choice, hes had years of discipline and work ethic, he just chose to mess it up. where im coming from is that if he didn't, these guys couldn't touch him. He went on record himself stating that to maintain that type of style, he couldn't have a life outside the ring(translation: cant party your ass off)

I agree Tyson is an ATG and he should have been better. But we will never know whether or not guys like Holyfield or Lewis could touch him if he didn't mess up.

Style wise imo prime Tyson would have matched up good against Lewis and Holyfield when. A prime Tyson with his work output imo could have overwhelmed these guys. Style wise a pressure fighter matches up good against traditional boxing styles.