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Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
yeah hollyfield moved up the weights and stayed champ on skill alone, he took roids but they never helped
Hahah I'm not saying PEDs don't help, if they didn't help no one would take them!

But it takes a lot more than that to make a champ and they don't help as much as people think... I've seen no evidence that they really improve a punch all that well either!

Watch Stefan Bonnar vs Anderson Silva from the UFC... Bonnar was roided to the gills and Silva was (as far as we know) clean. Silva ragdolled Bonnar and at one point let him have free punches on him that he laughed off. So this notion that steroids turn an average fighter into a killer is crazy IMHO!

And there's no real way to know that the other big names of the time weren't taking it, so it's kinda unfair and unrealistic to single Holyfield out as the only roider.
you cant compare one person against another only one person against themself

if my gran took roids she would be a better boxer than she is

in weight lifting roids make a massive difference to your performance, a man who can bench 80 kilos will bench 100, and thats dodgy sh1t from the man in the alley

imagine how these multimillion pound prefessional athletes would benefit from the roids they get