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[Onetime]

this is slowly going to turn into a fuck maywaether thread for no apparent reason, o wait it already did.....come on guys, pick on someone else, but you cant, cuz hes the best of this generation, point blank, Castillo didn't win that fight, he just came really close, just cuz he did better than everyone else doesn't mean he should be given the fight.

But to respond to the original post, yeah i tend to do that all the time, my mind kind of does it automatically, some guys are just the real deal and some are media darlings.

Ha I'm pro Floyd because he got a bad rap for the Manny negotiations but he should have been DQed vs Zab and Castillo was close those are just facts.

Getting dqed after getting hit in the nuts, then in the back of the head, and then choosing to remain calm and not to participate in a riot even though your family is being attacked and you were wronged, yeah he should've def got dqued

Ha so it's okay that your corner start a riot? Boxing has rules if your corner comes in the ring you are DQed, you want special treatment for Floyd

[bzkfn]

Ha so it's okay that your corner start a riot? Boxing has rules if your corner comes in the ring you are DQed, you want special treatment for Floyd

@Onetime - You're only hating on Floyd because he's an American and everyone hates America.

[Onetime]

Ha so it's okay that your corner start a riot? Boxing has rules if your corner comes in the ring you are DQed, you want special treatment for Floyd

@Onetime - You're only hating on Floyd because he's an American and everyone hates America.

See you can't be honest, I don't blindly defend American or black fighters but the garbage that I see from people who hug Euros against guys like Floyd, Danny, Wilder, B-hop, Devon and Quillin. GGG could start a riot and you would ride him, I don't do that.

[bzkfn]

Ha so it's okay that your corner start a riot? Boxing has rules if your corner comes in the ring you are DQed, you want special treatment for Floyd

@Onetime - You're only hating on Floyd because he's an American and everyone hates America.

See you can't be honest, I don't blindly defend American or black fighters but the garbage that I see from people who hug Euros against guys like Floyd, Danny, Wilder, B-hop, Devon and Quillin. GGG could start a riot and you would ride him, I don't do that.

Not true. If he fights Quillin, I'm right behind Kid Chocolate. I'm a big Quillin fan. I think GGG is good, but I'm not sold yet.

[Onetime]

Ha so it's okay that your corner start a riot? Boxing has rules if your corner comes in the ring you are DQed, you want special treatment for Floyd

@Onetime - You're only hating on Floyd because he's an American and everyone hates America.

See you can't be honest, I don't blindly defend American or black fighters but the garbage that I see from people who hug Euros against guys like Floyd, Danny, Wilder, B-hop, Devon and Quillin. GGG could start a riot and you would ride him, I don't do that.

Not true. If he fights Quillin, I'm right behind Kid Chocolate. I'm a big Quillin fan. I think GGG is good, but I'm not sold yet.

GGG beat Ouma he is clearly the best to ever step in the ring, the GGG fans are just the worse I've ever seen they make Manny fans seem rationale

[bzkfn]

Ha so it's okay that your corner start a riot? Boxing has rules if your corner comes in the ring you are DQed, you want special treatment for Floyd

@Onetime - You're only hating on Floyd because he's an American and everyone hates America.

See you can't be honest, I don't blindly defend American or black fighters but the garbage that I see from people who hug Euros against guys like Floyd, Danny, Wilder, B-hop, Devon and Quillin. GGG could start a riot and you would ride him, I don't do that.

Not true. If he fights Quillin, I'm right behind Kid Chocolate. I'm a big Quillin fan. I think GGG is good, but I'm not sold yet.

GGG beat Ouma he is clearly the best to ever step in the ring, the GGG fans are just the worse I've ever seen they make Manny fans seem rationale

See @Onetime, I agree with this. I just can't understand why you keep saying we all hate American fighters. There is plenty of love for American fighters on this forum.

[erics44]

theres so many things contribute to the result of a fight too, not just the judges scores

how deap does it go?

the ref is clearly bent in a lot of wlad klit fights and gives him all the advantages, has wlad klit lost his last 10?

[Vendettos]

Ha so it's okay that your corner start a riot? Boxing has rules if your corner comes in the ring you are DQed, you want special treatment for Floyd

@Onetime - You're only hating on Floyd because he's an American and everyone hates America.

See you can't be honest, I don't blindly defend American or black fighters but the garbage that I see from people who hug Euros against guys like Floyd, Danny, Wilder, B-hop, Devon and Quillin. GGG could start a riot and you would ride him, I don't do that.

Not true. If he fights Quillin, I'm right behind Kid Chocolate. I'm a big Quillin fan. I think GGG is good, but I'm not sold yet.

GGG beat Ouma he is clearly the best to ever step in the ring, the GGG fans are just the worse I've ever seen they make Manny fans seem rationale

See @Onetime, I agree with this. I just can't understand why you keep saying we all hate American fighters. There is plenty of love for American fighters on this forum.

Yupp we like the american fighters.

It's a lot of the American posters that are pricks.

[Onetime]

Ha so it's okay that your corner start a riot? Boxing has rules if your corner comes in the ring you are DQed, you want special treatment for Floyd

@Onetime - You're only hating on Floyd because he's an American and everyone hates America.

See you can't be honest, I don't blindly defend American or black fighters but the garbage that I see from people who hug Euros against guys like Floyd, Danny, Wilder, B-hop, Devon and Quillin. GGG could start a riot and you would ride him, I don't do that.

Not true. If he fights Quillin, I'm right behind Kid Chocolate. I'm a big Quillin fan. I think GGG is good, but I'm not sold yet.

GGG beat Ouma he is clearly the best to ever step in the ring, the GGG fans are just the worse I've ever seen they make Manny fans seem rationale

See @Onetime, I agree with this. I just can't understand why you keep saying we all hate American fighters. There is plenty of love for American fighters on this forum.

There is no way an American could have GGG's resume and get so much undue love. Plus the Danny shit was annoying people wanted him to duck so they could cry duck.

[Boxer4life]

this is slowly going to turn into a fuck maywaether thread for no apparent reason, o wait it already did.....come on guys, pick on someone else, but you cant, cuz hes the best of this generation, point blank, Castillo didn't win that fight, he just came really close, just cuz he did better than everyone else doesn't mean he should be given the fight.

But to respond to the original post, yeah i tend to do that all the time, my mind kind of does it automatically, some guys are just the real deal and some are media darlings.

Ha I'm pro Floyd because he got a bad rap for the Manny negotiations but he should have been DQed vs Zab and Castillo was close those are just facts.

Getting dqed after getting hit in the nuts, then in the back of the head, and then choosing to remain calm and not to participate in a riot even though your family is being attacked and you were wronged, yeah he should've def got dqued

Ha so it's okay that your corner start a riot? Boxing has rules if your corner comes in the ring you are DQed, you want special treatment for Floyd

Maybe because before the call was made, yoel judah stepped into the ring and knocked roger upside the head, and then zab proceeded to join in the festivities, if anyone shouldve been dqued, it wasnt floyd

[Spicoli]

Bottom line is you cannot believe everything you read. A record is just a stat sheet with very little depth and perspective. You cannot take it at complete face value and rely on that to give you the entire picture. It is only the "official" end result by the politicos. As infested as boxing is with corruption, terrible decisions by judges being at the top, it is very much up to fans to keep a running tally of asterisks from fights we've watched. But there is a massive difference between debatable and out and out rob jobs. Mostly a record is misleading in literal results...a "knockout" or Dq etc. Not so much now but thrown fights also, dive jobs ruled kos. This can be why everytime we harp on ko records translating to a guy being a monsterous savage puncher it can be shallow. It doesn't mean he was leaving guys twitching on the canvas taking 10 counts. Who was the guy in the first place? Was he hit so much he just stayed on the stool, or just bagged it after making his quota of 2 rounds. You just have to keep perspective fight to fight. You cannot act like a conspiracy theorist at every close bout regardless of bias but never take a record 100 percent face value. There is something to be said for actually watching...remembering the fights!

I have zero doubt for example that Medina beat up Tapia. It happened. But its a "w" for Johhny. Omar Weis boxed the doors off Julio Diaz. Shultz same to Foreman. Zero doubt that Sergio Martinez KO'd Cintron and was rewarded with a "draw". Rafa Ruelas was not "ko'd" very early in career vs Gutierrez his trainer lost the count, Rafa was wide awake and not hurt. Then you have a Lewis vs Akinwande...to me that was a tko and I think of it as such. Humberto Soto was every bit a tko winner over a battered Lorenzo but has a DQ. Honestly, for each fan..the list goes on and on and on.

[bradlee180]

I'm not even sure when they started to always announce fighters' records at the beginning of the fight.

Up to the late 1960s, ring announcers would give the fighter's name, his weight, where he's from, and what color trunks, but his record wasn't announced.

Records were being announced in the 1970s during ring introductions, but not all the time at every boxing event.


EDIT:
Records weren't seen as that important, and neither was being undefeated.
As long as a guy fought with Heart and put on a Great entertaining fight, people would pay to watch him again even if he came out on the losing end.
It's why Sugar Ray Robinson and Jake LaMotta fought 6 times, even though Jake only won 1 of the fights. They put on exciting fights, and the people liked watching them fight each other.
With only 8 weight classes and only 1 Champ per class, and fighters having maybe 10 or 12 fights per year, naturally EVERY top fighter had losses...

[Britkid]

I'm not even sure when they started to always announce fighters' records at the beginning of the fight.

Up to the late 1960s, ring announcers would give the fighter's name, his weight, where he's from, and what color trunks, but his record wasn't announced.

Records were being announced in the 1970s during ring introductions, but not all the time at every boxing event.


EDIT:
Records weren't seen as that important, and neither was being undefeated.
As long as a guy fought with Heart and put on a Great entertaining fight, people would pay to watch him again even if he came out on the losing end.
It's why Sugar Ray Robinson and Jake LaMotta fought 6 times, even though Jake only won 1 of the fights. They put on exciting fights, and the people liked watching them fight each other.
With only 8 weight classes and only 1 Champ per class, and fighters having maybe 10 or 12 fights per year, naturally EVERY top fighter had losses...

I agree with everything but the last line...

Look back; with the exception of a brief period in the late 40s, there was never 'only' eight divisions with one world champ in each division.