Edited reality in boxing records.

[Boxer4life]

I have a funny thing i do with tyson, in my mind hes undefeated and the greatest fighter of his generation because i feel like he could've beat anyone hes ever faced if he stayed disciplined and kept improving, but unfortunately that's not true and that's just the looney world i created for myself.

[Memphis]

I have a funny thing i do with tyson, in my mind hes undefeated and the greatest fighter of his generation because i feel like he could've beat anyone hes ever faced if he stayed disciplined and kept improving, but unfortunately that's not true and that's just the looney world i created for myself.

Thats quite common amongst Tyson fans to be fair

[Britkid]

I have a funny thing i do with tyson, in my mind hes undefeated and the greatest fighter of his generation because i feel like he could've beat anyone hes ever faced if he stayed disciplined and kept improving, but unfortunately that's not true and that's just the looney world i created for myself.

Thats quite common amongst Tyson fans to be fair

Well we all know Douglas was counted out.

Holyfield in fight one was on steroids.

Holyfield in fight two should have been thrown out for use of the head.

Lewis kept hitting Tyson trying to score 'points'. Tyson was only interested in a knockout, which Lewis as the 'peak' fighter should of done as well. Mike just got tired from Lewis' 'points scoring', and thus got stopped, but came out the fight the winner.

We know then that Mike Tyson died. But seemingly as ruse; the Danny Williams and Kevin McBride fights were a front for an organization that laundered money to help those who were owed money from Tyson. Dwight Qawi pulling off the Tyson impression rather well I thought.

Of course we now know Tyson the genius faked his own death to regain his fortune and is now once again the most powerful man in the sport. A position that an unbeaten Heavyweight Champion of the World rightly deserves!

[Boxer4life]

I have a funny thing i do with tyson, in my mind hes undefeated and the greatest fighter of his generation because i feel like he could've beat anyone hes ever faced if he stayed disciplined and kept improving, but unfortunately that's not true and that's just the looney world i created for myself.

Thats quite common amongst Tyson fans to be fair

Well we all know Douglas was counted out.

Holyfield in fight one was on steroids.

Holyfield in fight two should have been thrown out for use of the head.

Lewis kept hitting Tyson trying to score 'points'. Tyson was only interested in a knockout, which Lewis as the 'peak' fighter should of done as well. Mike just got tired from Lewis' 'points scoring', and thus got stopped, but came out the fight the winner.

We all know then that Mike Tyson died. But seemingly as ruse by those who were owed money; the Danny Williams and Kevin McBride fights were a front for an organization that laundered money to help those who were owed money from Tyson. Dwight Qawi pulling off the Tyson impression rather well I thought.

Of course we now know Tyson the genius faked his own death to regain his fortune and is now once again the most powerful man in the sport. A position that an unbeaten Heavyweight Champion of the World rightly deserves!

pure genius

[scribbs]

o right soz, we now have gold champs, silver champs, interim belt holders, ring magazine champs, champs in recess, and titlists

that clears things up for me

but if you mean he wasnt the number one in the division then yes youre right, taking that approach tho you would have to go back through the last 30 years and strip a lot of very good world champions of their belts

Not really that way. Throughout history including the old days when there was a smaller number of divisions it could still be murky. We have numerous belts & sometimes its a joke to distinguish who is the man & sometimes its obvious despite the numerous titlists on offer.

Ley me put it this way, Larry Homes was rightly (imo) called the heavy champ until beaten(?) by Spinks. You could argue that Witherspoon & Thomas were the top fighters in division when they held the WBC title but they never won title off of Holmes (some may have Tim winning when he challenged Larry). Looking back they were titlists holding down a strap but not the de facto crown of champion.

Guaranteed many years are blurry for a lot of divsions with too many titlists with no one stranding out, which is unfortunate but there are some instances when boxing fans know who is the man.

Now, regarding Haye who I like but has started being a dick. He won a title of Valuev who gained the title by beating Ruiz after they stripped the title of Chagaev who would lose to Wlad who with the exception of WBC title has unified the major belts, so (imo), is the man although there is debate in some quarters in regards to Vitali having a stake. So Haye won a title but many do but was not a champ (pedantic way to deal with it but it's how I make sense even if others don't agree).

I take my own view on boxing which is not the norm, so I put an asterisk on certain bouts but still accept the situation also. Its a muddled methodology but it works for me. You seem to have different viewpoint which I used to go by but found to be wearisome eventually, but hey - each to his own.

[Violent Demise]

Does this only apply to decisions?

A hypothetical.

For 7 rounds fighter A is all over fighter B like stink on shit. fighter B chins fighter A and drops him. Fighter A appears to be fine but gets stopped by the referee.

What then?

I think this is an area thats best left in the grey. If everything was black and white we'd have fuck all to talk/whinge about.

That depends. Where's Fighter A from? If he's from the US than he clearly got screwed by a shady referee. If he's from the UK than he was clearly out on his feet and should be thankful the ref saved his life

[Memphis]

Does this only apply to decisions?

A hypothetical.

For 7 rounds fighter A is all over fighter B like stink on shit. fighter B chins fighter A and drops him. Fighter A appears to be fine but gets stopped by the referee.

What then?

I think this is an area thats best left in the grey. If everything was black and white we'd have fuck all to talk/whinge about.

That depends. Where's Fighter A from? If he's from the US than he clearly got screwed by a shady referee. If he's from the UK than he was clearly out on his feet and should be thankful the ref saved his life

Further proof (if any was needed) that our referees are better than yours

[Violent Demise]

Does this only apply to decisions?

A hypothetical.

For 7 rounds fighter A is all over fighter B like stink on shit. fighter B chins fighter A and drops him. Fighter A appears to be fine but gets stopped by the referee.

What then?

I think this is an area thats best left in the grey. If everything was black and white we'd have fuck all to talk/whinge about.

That depends. Where's Fighter A from? If he's from the US than he clearly got screwed by a shady referee. If he's from the UK than he was clearly out on his feet and should be thankful the ref saved his life

Further proof (if any was needed) that our referees are better than yours

That's not exactly saying much

[gest12645]

This is a good post people , why argue in here.
Mayweather should have a loss to Castillo
Marquez should have way less losses
Ali imo lost all 3 bouts with Norton but Norton should have lost to Young
Bradley should have 2 losses by now
Broner at least one loss
Carlos Molina deserves more recognition
Mathysse should be undefeated

[Master]

This is nonsence because you can make it up to suit your own agenda.

ODH should have decisions over Shane (2nd fight), Tito, Floyd but lost to Sturm, Pernell, Ike.

[Boxer4life]

some of these post sound more like a distortion of reaality

[Vendettos]

Ha so it's okay that your corner start a riot? Boxing has rules if your corner comes in the ring you are DQed, you want special treatment for Floyd

@Onetime - You're only hating on Floyd because he's an American and everyone hates America.

See you can't be honest, I don't blindly defend American or black fighters but the garbage that I see from people who hug Euros against guys like Floyd, Danny, Wilder, B-hop, Devon and Quillin. GGG could start a riot and you would ride him, I don't do that.

Not true. If he fights Quillin, I'm right behind Kid Chocolate. I'm a big Quillin fan. I think GGG is good, but I'm not sold yet.

GGG beat Ouma he is clearly the best to ever step in the ring, the GGG fans are just the worse I've ever seen they make Manny fans seem rationale

See @Onetime, I agree with this. I just can't understand why you keep saying we all hate American fighters. There is plenty of love for American fighters on this forum.

There is no way an American could have GGG's resume and get so much undue love. Plus the Danny shit was annoying people wanted him to duck so they could cry duck.

I think you're jealous of GGG LOL.

You mention him in every post.

Like a queer boy.

Ha you defend him in every post, he's offensive to real fans with his resume and annoying personality. Just admit you are gay for Golovkin

I have never defended him, I hate him.

Stop being a loser, I hope you get raped.

[Onetime]

Ha so it's okay that your corner start a riot? Boxing has rules if your corner comes in the ring you are DQed, you want special treatment for Floyd

@Onetime - You're only hating on Floyd because he's an American and everyone hates America.

See you can't be honest, I don't blindly defend American or black fighters but the garbage that I see from people who hug Euros against guys like Floyd, Danny, Wilder, B-hop, Devon and Quillin. GGG could start a riot and you would ride him, I don't do that.

Not true. If he fights Quillin, I'm right behind Kid Chocolate. I'm a big Quillin fan. I think GGG is good, but I'm not sold yet.

GGG beat Ouma he is clearly the best to ever step in the ring, the GGG fans are just the worse I've ever seen they make Manny fans seem rationale

See @Onetime, I agree with this. I just can't understand why you keep saying we all hate American fighters. There is plenty of love for American fighters on this forum.

There is no way an American could have GGG's resume and get so much undue love. Plus the Danny shit was annoying people wanted him to duck so they could cry duck.

I think you're jealous of GGG LOL.

You mention him in every post.

Like a queer boy.

Ha you defend him in every post, he's offensive to real fans with his resume and annoying personality. Just admit you are gay for Golovkin

I have never defended him, I hate him.

Stop being a loser, I hope you get raped.

Bitch you defend his fake ass anytime I mention him, I hope you grow a pair of balls and start going at GGG for the undue hype he is cause right now you blowing him.

[erics44]

o right soz, we now have gold champs, silver champs, interim belt holders, ring magazine champs, champs in recess, and titlists

that clears things up for me

but if you mean he wasnt the number one in the division then yes youre right, taking that approach tho you would have to go back through the last 30 years and strip a lot of very good world champions of their belts

Not really that way. Throughout history including the old days when there was a smaller number of divisions it could still be murky. We have numerous belts & sometimes its a joke to distinguish who is the man & sometimes its obvious despite the numerous titlists on offer.

Ley me put it this way, Larry Homes was rightly (imo) called the heavy champ until beaten(?) by Spinks. You could argue that Witherspoon & Thomas were the top fighters in division when they held the WBC title but they never won title off of Holmes (some may have Tim winning when he challenged Larry). Looking back they were titlists holding down a strap but not the de facto crown of champion.

Guaranteed many years are blurry for a lot of divsions with too many titlists with no one stranding out, which is unfortunate but there are some instances when boxing fans know who is the man.

Now, regarding Haye who I like but has started being a dick. He won a title of Valuev who gained the title by beating Ruiz after they stripped the title of Chagaev who would lose to Wlad who with the exception of WBC title has unified the major belts, so (imo), is the man although there is debate in some quarters in regards to Vitali having a stake. So Haye won a title but many do but was not a champ (pedantic way to deal with it but it's how I make sense even if others don't agree).

I take my own view on boxing which is not the norm, so I put an asterisk on certain bouts but still accept the situation also. Its a muddled methodology but it works for me. You seem to have different viewpoint which I used to go by but found to be wearisome eventually, but hey - each to his own.

look at it that way if you like

its a bit of a far fetched way to justify david haye not being HW champ tho dont you think?

if we have had multiple titles for the last 30 years then there must have been multiple world champions who werent the number 1 so therefore in your mind only titlists and not world champions, so who decides who are the world champions nowadays? you?

[scribbs]

QUOTE=erics44;1171549]


look at it that way if you like - I do

its a bit of a far fetched way to justify david haye not being HW champ tho dont you think? No

if we have had multiple titles for the last 30 years then there must have been multiple world champions who werent the number 1 so therefore in your mind only titlists and not world champions, so who decides who are the world champions nowadays? you? Yes but in my view of modern boxing[/QUOTE]