Duran : In My Era, Mayweather Would Have Been Ordinary

[brocktonblockbust]

DURAN OVERRATED?
you must be Hands of Stoned

[Violent Demise]

Wilfred Benitez would of beaten Mayweather

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

VD, that's not a bad shout actually.

However, this article or whatever MUST be suffering a case of bad translation. I reckon Duran ment to say that GREATNESS was ordinary in his era

[bradlee180]

Well, I think Duran's headline hits the nail right on the head...

Now, I'll go read the rest.

[bradlee180]

Duran was a better fighter than Hearns and Ray Leonard.
And even when Duran was past his prime, older, slower, and waaay out of his weight class(135), he still won rds at 160 against a prime Hagler.

In the era of same-day weigh-ins when men fought where they really belonged, Duran was a Lightweight 135 lbs. Leonard was 147lbs. Hearns best weight was really 154. Hagler was 160.

135 lb Champ in 1972, Duran's spectacular run culminated in 1980 by going up 12 lbs to 147 and defeating a prime undefeated Sugar Ray Leonard in a 15 rd battle.
Duran was 71 wins and 1 loss (avenged), 55 KOs going into that 1st Ray Leonard fight.


It's unfortunate that people nowadays judge Duran by his high-profile 80s fights when he was past his prime, older, slower, and fatter rather than by his prime through the 1970s at Lightweight.

It's like ignoring a prime Mike Tyson's 80s performances, like it didn't happen, and basing everything you know on his post-prison, past his prime performances instead. That's what ignoramuses do to Duran nowadays...

[jehoshaphat]

Duran was a better fighter than Hearns and Ray Leonard.
And even when Duran was past his prime, older, slower, and waaay out of his weight class(135), he still won rds at 160 against a prime Hagler.

In the era of same-day weigh-ins when men fought where they really belonged, Duran was a Lightweight 135 lbs. Leonard was 147lbs. Hearns best weight was really 154. Hagler was 160.

135 lb Champ in 1972, Duran's spectacular run culminated in 1980 by going up 12 lbs to 147 and defeating a prime undefeated Sugar Ray Leonard in a 15 rd battle.
Duran was 71 wins and 1 loss (avenged), 55 KOs going into that 1st Ray Leonard fight.


It's unfortunate that people nowadays judge Duran by his high-profile 80s fights when he was past his prime, older, slower, and fatter rather than by his prime through the 1970s at Lightweight.

It's like ignoring a prime Mike Tyson's 80s performances, like it didn't happen, and basing everything you know on his post-prison, past his prime performances instead. That's what ignoramuses do to Duran nowadays...

I don't think people in this thread are basing Duran's career after his lightweight run. Besides, his lightweight run wasn't exactly murderers row. A lot of fighters move up in weight for bigger fish. And Duran didn't go up 12 pounds to fight Leonard. He had already been at welterweight and fought 7 times before the Leonard bout. We are keeping it relevant to Duran's comments and how he linked Mayweather to the fab 4 of his day. So were like...well lets look at it then. Duran fought 4 of his matches against Leonard, Hagler, and Hearns in like a 4 year span. Basically from the ages of 29-32. When would you guess he was out of his prime? Leonard made him quit, Hagler beat him, and Hearns mercilessly KO'd him. Not to mention his loss to Benitez in that span. I'm not trying to discredit Duran for anything but I also always try to be fair, honest, and neutral. I would be very interested in how you figure Duran was a better fighter than Hearns and especially Leonard.

[imp]

Duran was a better fighter than Hearns and Ray Leonard.
And even when Duran was past his prime, older, slower, and waaay out of his weight class(135), he still won rds at 160 against a prime Hagler.

In the era of same-day weigh-ins when men fought where they really belonged, Duran was a Lightweight 135 lbs. Leonard was 147lbs. Hearns best weight was really 154. Hagler was 160.

135 lb Champ in 1972, Duran's spectacular run culminated in 1980 by going up 12 lbs to 147 and defeating a prime undefeated Sugar Ray Leonard in a 15 rd battle.
Duran was 71 wins and 1 loss (avenged), 55 KOs going into that 1st Ray Leonard fight.


It's unfortunate that people nowadays judge Duran by his high-profile 80s fights when he was past his prime, older, slower, and fatter rather than by his prime through the 1970s at Lightweight.

It's like ignoring a prime Mike Tyson's 80s performances, like it didn't happen, and basing everything you know on his post-prison, past his prime performances instead. That's what ignoramuses do to Duran nowadays...

I don't think people in this thread are basing Duran's career after his lightweight run. Besides, his lightweight run wasn't exactly murderers row. A lot of fighters move up in weight for bigger fish. And Duran didn't go up 12 pounds to fight Leonard. He had already been at welterweight and fought 7 times before the Leonard bout. We are keeping it relevant to Duran's comments and how he linked Mayweather to the fab 4 of his day. So were like...well lets look at it then. Duran fought 4 of his matches against Leonard, Hagler, and Hearns in like a 4 year span. Basically from the ages of 29-32. When would you guess he was out of his prime? Leonard made him quit, Hagler beat him, and Hearns mercilessly KO'd him. Not to mention his loss to Benitez in that span. I'm not trying to discredit Duran for anything but I also always try to be fair, honest, and neutral. I would be very interested in how you figure Duran was a better fighter than Hearns and especially Leonard.

Exactly.

Everyone wants to pick there best version of duran but whatever legend he may be he came up short against the other three.

Mayweather adapts and dominates duran with his speed, defense and precision.

[imp]

DURAN OVERRATED?
you must be Hands of Stoned

Is this the same duran who quit in the ring after being outboxed?

Duran got sparked out by hearns and was the bottom of the four imho

Leonard
Hagler
Hearns
Duran

All i know is floyd is a problem for any era. He beats duran in any era.

[bradlee180]

Is this the same duran who quit in the ring after being outboxed?.

^Y'see, this is what I'm talkin' about...

Quitting in Boxing is NOT reserved solely for Duran though it appears he's the only man who is ever, ever crucified for it.

Some of you will remember:
The Great Julio Cesar Chavez quit too.
I think Larry Merchant was close to getting poked by Chavez when he told Chavez it’s ironic that Chavez made Roger Mayweather quit, and now De La Hoya made you quit! We had to wait for Larry to be translated before we saw the anger registering on Chavez’ face.
YouTube - Julio Cesar Chavez's Bullshit
Pretty funny. Larry has had a few entertaining moments.
And then Pacquiao made De La Hoya quit!

Do you think Kostya Tszyu quit against Ricky Hatton?
Could De La Hoya have gotten up against Bernard Hopkins?
What about Erik Morales last fight with Manny Pacquiao, could Morales have gotten up?
Shane Mosley trying to quit against Pacquiao?

All these "quitters" are Hall-of-Fame bound.

Liston vs Ali 1 (Ali wanted to quit over burning substance in his eyes, but Dundee wouldn’t let him; Liston quit 2 rds later!).
Iron Mike Tyson quit a few times.

Cotto vs Margarito?
Julian Jackson against Gerald McClellan 2?
Alexis Arguello vs Aaron Pryor 2?

Arthur Abraham vs Raul Marquez?
Sam Peter vs Vitali Klitschko?
Vitali Klitschko vs Chris Byrd?
Acelino Frietas more than once (Diaz, Corrales).
Andrew Golota against Mike Tyson and Michael Grant.
Arturo Gatti against Floyd Mayweather?
Israel Vasquez vs Rafael Marquez 1?

As I said, quitting is NOT reserved solely for Duran though it appears he's the only man who is ever, ever crucified for it.

I know 99.9% of people don't have the cajones to be fighters.
99% of guys like to fairy-tale imagine themselves like Rocky Balboa, keeping getting up for more punishment time-after-time after being brutally knocked down.
Fat chance, the reality is regular guys will choose to stay down for the 10 seconds if it means the pain will stop.
A rude awakening greets anyone who ever strolls into a gym and puts the mitts on.


I know this new breed of apparently superior fighters, MMA fighters, they sure quit a lot...every broadcast. Nobody condemns them.

Duran's one of the best fighters of All-Time.

[Master]

Duran was a great at lightweight, Floyd was probably better welterweight that Duran although the version that beat Leonard would make it a close fight.

[Dia bando]

Duran was a great at lightweight, Floyd was probably better welterweight that Duran although the version that beat Leonard would make it a close fight.

Duran would have beaten him at both weights,! Duran would have been over him like a rash,
giving him no time to think, also over 15 very hard rounds Floyd like to fight at Floyd s pace,
Roberto would make him fight 3 minutes of ever round.

[imp]

Is this the same duran who quit in the ring after being outboxed?.

^Y'see, this is what I'm talkin' about...

Quitting in Boxing is NOT reserved solely for Duran though it appears he's the only man who is ever, ever crucified for it.

Some of you will remember:
The Great Julio Cesar Chavez quit too.
I think Larry Merchant was close to getting poked by Chavez when he told Chavez it’s ironic that Chavez made Roger Mayweather quit, and now De La Hoya made you quit! We had to wait for Larry to be translated before we saw the anger registering on Chavez’ face.
YouTube - Julio Cesar Chavez's Bullshit
Pretty funny. Larry has had a few entertaining moments.
And then Pacquiao made De La Hoya quit!

Do you think Kostya Tszyu quit against Ricky Hatton?
Could De La Hoya have gotten up against Bernard Hopkins?
What about Erik Morales last fight with Manny Pacquiao, could Morales have gotten up?
Shane Mosley trying to quit against Pacquiao?

All these "quitters" are Hall-of-Fame bound.

Liston vs Ali 1 (Ali wanted to quit over burning substance in his eyes, but Dundee wouldn’t let him; Liston quit 2 rds later!).
Iron Mike Tyson quit a few times.

Cotto vs Margarito?
Julian Jackson against Gerald McClellan 2?
Alexis Arguello vs Aaron Pryor 2?

Arthur Abraham vs Raul Marquez?
Sam Peter vs Vitali Klitschko?
Vitali Klitschko vs Chris Byrd?
Acelino Frietas more than once (Diaz, Corrales).
Andrew Golota against Mike Tyson and Michael Grant.
Arturo Gatti against Floyd Mayweather?
Israel Vasquez vs Rafael Marquez 1?

As I said, quitting is NOT reserved solely for Duran though it appears he's the only man who is ever, ever crucified for it.

I know 99.9% of people don't have the cajones to be fighters.
99% of guys like to fairy-tale imagine themselves like Rocky Balboa, keeping getting up for more punishment time-after-time after being brutally knocked down.
Fat chance, the reality is regular guys will choose to stay down for the 10 seconds if it means the pain will stop.
A rude awakening greets anyone who ever strolls into a gym and puts the mitts on.


I know this new breed of apparently superior fighters, MMA fighters, they sure quit a lot...every broadcast. Nobody condemns them.

Duran's one of the best fighters of All-Time.

99% percent of people dont want to be boxers.

If you choose to be a boxer or are talented enough to be a boxer then
Thats the road you choose.

Lets not compare every fighter under the sun but just stick to the two in question.

Theres not many fighters that quit the way duran did and he quit on his own..his trainer didnt throw in the towel.

Floyd has never quit and he has never lost AND he has fought so many different styles!

Duran would not beat mayweather at any stage of his career IMHO.

Victor ortiz quit the other day but he had a broken jaw.

Every boxer has their own reason for quitting.
It Does not mean there any less of a boxer.

[imp]

Lets flip the script.

Would duran even survive in floyds era.

Dont be surprised if a prime cotto gets him out by 8 via bodyshots.

A prime roid mosley destroys duran in 6.

Obviously these fights wont occur but dont underestimate what we have today in boxing.

This is our era.

The main weak divison today is the heavyweights. (Guess why)

Ps:- would duran even beat manny pac?

[El Kabong]

Lets flip the script.

Would duran even survive in floyds era.

Dont be surprised if a prime cotto gets him out by 8 via bodyshots.

A prime roid mosley destroys duran in 6.

Obviously these fights wont occur but dont underestimate what we have today in boxing.

This is our era.

The main weak divison today is the heavyweights. (Guess why)

Ps:- would duran even beat manny pac?

Would Duran survive? You are seriously asking "Would the GREATEST LIGHTWEIGHT OF ALL-TIME survive Floyd's era?" .....are you that stupid?

I didn't know Floyd Mayweather Jr was immune to criticism...guess I missed that part. Every other boxer, oh yeah we can find flaws with them, but Floyd? Naaaaah man, totally 100% perfect

[FinitoElDinamita]

Floyd would have held his own in any era but he definitely wouldnt have been as successful back then as he is today..

He wouldnt fight Margarito and Pacquiao so I can only imagine what it would take to get him inside the ring with a beast like Duran.

Duran wouldnt be intimidated by Floyd's reputation, his cute shoulders rolls and hype.... He'd just jump right in there and maul his ass..

Guys like Oscar and Cotto were successful with their jabs but ultimately failed cuz they couldnt keep it up for 12 rounds but Duran had the energy to implement the style for 15 rounds..