88 Mike Tyson vs Ike Ibeabuchi

[ross]

Not really.

If Tyson never fought Spinks and he had the rest of his career as it happened would anyone have ever thought that Mike would have won that fight in 91 seconds?

[Spicoli]

I can imagine a ref asking for time and a half pay as well as being required to renew his life insurance before this.

Seriously though, I think Ibeabuchi is very over assumed off of the Tua fight. Basically he came to fame from two fights, thats it. Marion f'n Wilson managed to frustrate him even. Tyson had his problems but on speed and shift I think he makes Ibeabuchi look like a statue standing still. Compared to Tua Tyson was a very sharp accurate puncher with considerably more variation and it would be Ike losing his marbles and doing something to lose points or get DQ'd.

[Dark Lord Al]

I can imagine a ref asking for time and a half pay as well as being required to renew his life insurance before this.

Seriously though, I think Ibeabuchi is very over assumed off of the Tua fight. Basically he came to fame from two fights, thats it. Marion f'n Wilson managed to frustrate him even. Tyson had his problems but on speed and shift I think he makes Ibeabuchi look like a statue standing still. Compared to Tua Tyson was a very sharp accurate puncher with considerably more variation and it would be Ike losing his marbles and doing something to lose points or get DQ'd.

Yea Mike bites Ike's ear off , then Ike pulls a gun on Mike , all hell breaks loose , then maybe the fan man drops in.
both get 5 years

[Spicoli]

I can imagine a ref asking for time and a half pay as well as being required to renew his life insurance before this.

Seriously though, I think Ibeabuchi is very over assumed off of the Tua fight. Basically he came to fame from two fights, thats it. Marion f'n Wilson managed to frustrate him even. Tyson had his problems but on speed and shift I think he makes Ibeabuchi look like a statue standing still. Compared to Tua Tyson was a very sharp accurate puncher with considerably more variation and it would be Ike losing his marbles and doing something to lose points or get DQ'd.

Yea Mike bites Ike's ear off , then Ike pulls a gun on Mike , all hell breaks loose , then maybe the fan man drops in.
both get 5 years

Ha! Can you imagine the security prior, it would be insane. Special guest dual ref night.. Vince McMahon/ any random local D.A

[Dark Lord Al]

This would have been a really good match up , but as the saddo kid ross's hero , Fury would easily beat them both , as he has already beaten a formidable former world title challenger , in Kevin Johnson who has an amazing 14 KO in 29 wins and hits harder than either Mike or Ike.
Did you lot know Ike never beat a former world title challenger ?
amazing fact that one , he did beat a guy who went on to win the title but that doesn't matter at all.

[bigstinkybug]

but u have to remember ..ur saying Tyson of 88... 86-87-88, no one was ever better. Tua hits hard, but Tyson had talent... Tyson had an awesome jab, he had air for days, he had speed... for a moment... I say again,he was "the baddest man on the planet"


p.s..the Tyson that bit Holy's ear isn't the same man... the guy that lost to Lennox is a shell of young Tyson... the Tyson that had Rooney and Cuz isn't the same after Rooney left...

[IamInuit]

Prior to fighting Tua, Ike really fought nobody with a winning record outside of say Anthony Wade. He had only fought over 8 rounds twice. Tua was his 17th fight. Tua on the other hand had fought 27 times. Tua at the time was being touted as the next Tyson and had recently blasted out Ruiz, Wilson, Izon and Maskaev. Tua had been fighting 10 and 12 round fights for 4 or 5 years. At the time, it was being said that Ike was a flash in the pan and a coddled contender. As it turns out he was not the sum of his past opponents. Dark Lord Al makes a great point in that Ike would have had no fear and it may have been Tyson who got intimidated. That is a huge factor imo. Tyson may have fought about 15 times in a year but let’s be honest here, he was spoon fed more than Ike or Tua. He never even fought any kind of a perceived threat until 1987 and that was Thomas. I don’t think there is a right or wrong answer here.

[jon09]

I think Ike would have been mentally beaten by the time the bell rang. We really only have the Byrd fight and Tua fight to go by and the fact that he was a mental nut job. Tyson by knockout in a Seldon type win.

Seldon?!?! Now I agree Ibeabuchi would lose but SELDON?!?!?! That's the kind of overrating I'm talking about.

Would you prefer a Berbick type ko? I say Seldon because like I said Ike was an unstable type of individual who would have folded as soon as Mike put the pressure on him maybe. Its hypothetical anyways and who knows maybe Ike would have eaten Iron Mikes best shots and knocked him out Holyfield style.

[p4pking]

Prior to fighting Tua, Ike really fought nobody with a winning record outside of say Anthony Wade. He had only fought over 8 rounds twice. Tua was his 17th fight. Tua on the other hand had fought 27 times. Tua at the time was being touted as the next Tyson and had recently blasted out Ruiz, Wilson, Izon and Maskaev. Tua had been fighting 10 and 12 round fights for 4 or 5 years. At the time, it was being said that Ike was a flash in the pan and a coddled contender. As it turns out he was not the sum of his past opponents. Dark Lord Al makes a great point in that Ike would have had no fear and it may have been Tyson who got intimidated. That is a huge factor imo. Tyson may have fought about 15 times in a year but let’s be honest here, he was spoon fed more than Ike or Tua. He never even fought any kind of a perceived threat until 1987 and that was Thomas. I don’t think there is a right or wrong answer here.

Fair post, except that it's purely speculation that Tyson would've been intimidated in his day, as is most anything that points to Ike having much of a shout here imo. Tua hardly blased out Maskaev either, for what thats worth. He was looking pretty damn pedestrian and being soundly outboxed until he caught up late. If Ibeabuchi had any inclination to box that may have been a clear win for him, I actually thought Tua could've easily got the nod instead.

[El Kabong]

Watching Ibeabuchi vs Tua .....honestly a decent jab could have turned the tide in that fight good news for Tyson. Both guys did get staggared in the fight.

[p4pking]

Watching Ibeabuchi vs Tua .....honestly a decent jab could have turned the tide in that fight good news for Tyson. Both guys did get staggared in the fight.

Exactly, it was an incredible scrap but a bit as though both made a pact to forget about boxing. It's not as if there wasn't room for it as you say, any kind of adjustment for Ike would've made things a lot easier on him, his approach was horrifying.

[IamInuit]

Prior to fighting Tua, Ike really fought nobody with a winning record outside of say Anthony Wade. He had only fought over 8 rounds twice. Tua was his 17th fight. Tua on the other hand had fought 27 times. Tua at the time was being touted as the next Tyson and had recently blasted out Ruiz, Wilson, Izon and Maskaev. Tua had been fighting 10 and 12 round fights for 4 or 5 years. At the time, it was being said that Ike was a flash in the pan and a coddled contender. As it turns out he was not the sum of his past opponents. Dark Lord Al makes a great point in that Ike would have had no fear and it may have been Tyson who got intimidated. That is a huge factor imo. Tyson may have fought about 15 times in a year but let’s be honest here, he was spoon fed more than Ike or Tua. He never even fought any kind of a perceived threat until 1987 and that was Thomas. I don’t think there is a right or wrong answer here.

Fair post, except that it's purely speculation that Tyson would've been intimidated in his day, as is most anything that points to Ike having much of a shout here imo. Tua hardly blased out Maskaev either, for what thats worth. He was looking pretty damn pedestrian and being soundly outboxed until he caught up late. If Ibeabuchi had any inclination to box that may have been a clear win for him, I actually thought Tua could've easily got the nod instead.

I suppose we could split hairs here for quite awhile but Tyson had issues with Thomas, Tucker, Tillis and even Biggs. And that was this prime Tyson. The Tua v Ike fight could have gone either way and when you are dealing with that kind of punch output I'd hate to be a judge. All I am saying is that Tyson vs Ike is far from a forgone conclusion. Either one of them could win a best out of three.

[Spicoli]

Prior to fighting Tua, Ike really fought nobody with a winning record outside of say Anthony Wade. He had only fought over 8 rounds twice. Tua was his 17th fight. Tua on the other hand had fought 27 times. Tua at the time was being touted as the next Tyson and had recently blasted out Ruiz, Wilson, Izon and Maskaev. Tua had been fighting 10 and 12 round fights for 4 or 5 years. At the time, it was being said that Ike was a flash in the pan and a coddled contender. As it turns out he was not the sum of his past opponents. Dark Lord Al makes a great point in that Ike would have had no fear and it may have been Tyson who got intimidated. That is a huge factor imo. Tyson may have fought about 15 times in a year but let’s be honest here, he was spoon fed more than Ike or Tua. He never even fought any kind of a perceived threat until 1987 and that was Thomas. I don’t think there is a right or wrong answer here.

He was really brought in from being buried on Kushner cards and far off from being known or ranked. I don't know if he had fear really but I don't think a guy that scattered and insecure outside the ring could mask it once under what a Tyson would hit him with. Even more so after the Tua win when he developed almost a God complex and snapped numerous times with arrests and jail stint, he was already refusing 6 figure showcases on Hbo to build up a Grant fight and a walking melt down just prior to Byrd.

[Andre]

I think id go with Ike, but really it would depend on what had happened to each guy the days prior to fighting on if they'd be there mentally for it.

By 88 this guy was the only one to go 10 rounds, and all he had going for him was a big set of balls and the toughest beard you can ever have. Well he got stopped right in the tenth but thats the most Tyson had done.




Its a hard call, would Ike have been giving back what he was getting is the big question,Id say yeah he would? If so Id go with him. Cause for Mike to last 10 when being hit back is different than lasting 10 giving all the punishment and Mike wasnt used to taking any for long.

Then again Mike could bust his ribs and he could fold in 3.

[jon09]

Prior to fighting Tua, Ike really fought nobody with a winning record outside of say Anthony Wade. He had only fought over 8 rounds twice. Tua was his 17th fight. Tua on the other hand had fought 27 times. Tua at the time was being touted as the next Tyson and had recently blasted out Ruiz, Wilson, Izon and Maskaev. Tua had been fighting 10 and 12 round fights for 4 or 5 years. At the time, it was being said that Ike was a flash in the pan and a coddled contender. As it turns out he was not the sum of his past opponents. Dark Lord Al makes a great point in that Ike would have had no fear and it may have been Tyson who got intimidated. That is a huge factor imo. Tyson may have fought about 15 times in a year but let’s be honest here, he was spoon fed more than Ike or Tua. He never even fought any kind of a perceived threat until 1987 and that was Thomas. I don’t think there is a right or wrong answer here.

He was really brought in from being buried on Kushner cards and far off from being known or ranked. I don't know if he had fear really but I don't think a guy that scattered and insecure outside the ring could mask it once under what a Tyson would hit him with. Even more so after the Tua win when he developed almost a God complex and snapped numerous times with arrests and jail stint, he was already refusing 6 figure showcases on Hbo to build up a Grant fight and a walking melt down just prior to Byrd.

Yeah I think the Tua war is what sent him over the edge more than less.