Retired fighters we felt were on PED's!?

[Cormega]

You cannot keep making this BS up about Leonard.

Ray was a cokehead bro.

Being on coke and using PED are two very different things. Floyd uses injections in his hands which are banned in some states. Does that make him a cheat?

I'm not saying he used coke as a PED, but I don't think it's outside of the realm of possibility that he could have done some lines before some of his fights which may or may not have enhanced his performance. If Floyd uses those injections for a fight in a state in which they're banned then yes, he is cheating... Not big time cheating like loading your gloves or being roided up, but he would be breaking the rules.

It is a huge leap to say someone using coke is more likely to use PED.

It isn't actually, but I didn't say that.

[Master]

You cannot keep making this BS up about Leonard.

Ray was a cokehead bro.

Being on coke and using PED are two very different things. Floyd uses injections in his hands which are banned in some states. Does that make him a cheat?

I'm not saying he used coke as a PED, but I don't think it's outside of the realm of possibility that he could have done some lines before some of his fights which may or may not have enhanced his performance. If Floyd uses those injections for a fight in a state in which they're banned then yes, he is cheating... Not big time cheating like loading your gloves or being roided up, but he would be breaking the rules.

It is a huge leap to say someone using coke is more likely to use PED.

It isn't actually, but I didn't say that.

It is and you are saying that if not then you are now.

[Cormega]

You cannot keep making this BS up about Leonard.

Ray was a cokehead bro.

Being on coke and using PED are two very different things. Floyd uses injections in his hands which are banned in some states. Does that make him a cheat?

I'm not saying he used coke as a PED, but I don't think it's outside of the realm of possibility that he could have done some lines before some of his fights which may or may not have enhanced his performance. If Floyd uses those injections for a fight in a state in which they're banned then yes, he is cheating... Not big time cheating like loading your gloves or being roided up, but he would be breaking the rules.

It is a huge leap to say someone using coke is more likely to use PED.

It isn't actually, but I didn't say that.

It is and you are saying that if not then you are now.

Yeah, I'd say someone who fucks around with drugs outside of boxing is probably slightly more likely to use drugs that will enhance their performance than someone who avoids drugs altogether, but that isn't what I said about Ray. I said he was a cokehead (which he's admitted to himself) and that it wasn't outside the realm of possibility that he could have gotten high before some of his fights, which may or may not have enhanced his performance. I don't know whether he did or not, but I know he was a cokehead because why in the fuck would he lie about that?

[Master]

I thought he was using coke after his peak when he retired after about the 5th time.

[Cormega]

I thought he was using coke after his peak when he retired after about the 5th time.

I honestly don't know when it was. I just read an interview a while back in which he said he was doing a shitload of coke for a while there.

[Master]

I thought he was using coke after his peak when he retired after about the 5th time.

I honestly don't know when it was. I just read an interview a while back in which he said he was doing a shitload of coke for a while there.

Yes I read it to but thought it whilst he was in retirement. He was a very talented fighter, Manny said the most talented fighter he ever saw at the Kronk gym, so would hate to think he used anything. I do not like Leonard at all but he was an amazing fighter.