Did Marquez take Steroids for the Last Pacquiao Fight?

[Kirkland Laing]

Marquez is a career featherweight.

From young adulthood, say 18 years old to about 28-30 years old you fill out a bit. Boxers ut on a few more pounds over those years, move up in weight and so on.

Marquez was a featherweight until he was 32. He had one or two fights at 130 one at 135 and then made 143 to fight Floyd. At the weigh-in for Floyd he looked bloated and out of shape, like Duran looked when he moved up to welterweight. His next fight he made 133 and could probably have easily still made 130.

The exact same weight and strength training methods existed as exist today when he fought Floyd but there's a night and day difference in how he looked then and how he looks now. So much difference that there was enormous scepticism in the boxing press and the boxing industry that the change in physique at nearly 40 years of age was down to legal methods.


Marquez will tell you that it's all down to "hard work in the gym" which is the mantra of every steroid cheat of the PED era. The guy who is his strength and conditioning coach has zero qualifications as a strength and conditioning coach but has been convicted of producing and supplying various steroids and PEDs to Olympic athletes for years. He was one of the top PED guys in the world till he got caught. It was inevitable that a guy like this would eventually gravitate to boxing.

The Olympic Dealer [interview with �ngel Heredia] – BoxingSocialist.com

[IamInuit]

Marquez is a career featherweight.

From young adulthood, say 18 years old to about 28-30 years old you fill out a bit. Boxers ut on a few more pounds over those years, move up in weight and so on.

Marquez was a featherweight until he was 32. He had one or two fights at 130 one at 135 and then made 143 to fight Floyd. At the weigh-in for Floyd he looked bloated and out of shape, like Duran looked when he moved up to welterweight. His next fight he made 133 and could probably have easily still made 130.

The exact same weight and strength training methods existed as exist today when he fought Floyd but there's a night and day difference in how he looked then and how he looks now. So much difference that there was enormous scepticism in the boxing press and the boxing industry that the change in physique at nearly 40 years of age was down to legal methods.


Marquez will tell you that it's all down to "hard work in the gym" which is the mantra of every steroid cheat of the PED era. The guy who is his strength and conditioning coach has zero qualifications as a strength and conditioning coach but has been convicted of producing and supplying various steroids and PEDs to Olympic athletes for years. He was one of the top PED guys in the world till he got caught. It was inevitable that a guy like this would eventually gravitate to boxing.

The Olympic Dealer [interview with �ngel Heredia] – BoxingSocialist.com

Great post and let me just say that I think they are all cheating at the highest level or at least the vast majority thereby making it an even playing field meaning cheating cannot be used as a reason for losing. Until the powers at be take their collective heads out of their collective asses to curb its use that statusquo remains. They most likely don't want to. Juice is responsible for to many highlight reels.

Thing is @Kirkland Laing that's not evidence. Its guilt by association. Not only that, I think its safe to assume that every sports nutritionist on the planet knows Peds and how to use them. If Marquez wanted to cheat he didn't need to hire Heredia of all people. There are some pretty hard core supplements out and about that are over the counter. For guys like him that work out for a living the effects on a body type such as his could be or at least appear to be pretty dramatic.

His opponent was probably a career junior featherweight and managed to accomplish something that has never been done in over a hundred years coming all the way from 106.Carpentier started at fly and ended at hev but never destroyed opponents on the way up. Many of the people who defended Manny are now the biggest finger pointers at Marquez.

One of Marquez's biggest changes in his approach to this fight was its desired conclusion. He wanted a short fight and based his training around it. In fact the muscle build up was well on its way in the third fight. He had already lost 3 marathons including at least 1 that many thought he clearly won. He was going to take it out of the hands of the judges come hell or high water and he did.

Reasonable people who can remain objective will acknowledge the empirical footprint that led to the knockout and yet not the knockout itself. I simply cannot get my head around that. It contradicts the previous acknowledgement.

[jahmez]

The whole "if he was going to do it, then why would he make it that obvious?" defense has and always will be lame. Add to the fact that PED guru changed his name and its pretty fucking funny really.

[Kirkland Laing]

Marquez is a career featherweight.

From young adulthood, say 18 years old to about 28-30 years old you fill out a bit. Boxers ut on a few more pounds over those years, move up in weight and so on.

Marquez was a featherweight until he was 32. He had one or two fights at 130 one at 135 and then made 143 to fight Floyd. At the weigh-in for Floyd he looked bloated and out of shape, like Duran looked when he moved up to welterweight. His next fight he made 133 and could probably have easily still made 130.

The exact same weight and strength training methods existed as exist today when he fought Floyd but there's a night and day difference in how he looked then and how he looks now. So much difference that there was enormous scepticism in the boxing press and the boxing industry that the change in physique at nearly 40 years of age was down to legal methods.


Marquez will tell you that it's all down to "hard work in the gym" which is the mantra of every steroid cheat of the PED era. The guy who is his strength and conditioning coach has zero qualifications as a strength and conditioning coach but has been convicted of producing and supplying various steroids and PEDs to Olympic athletes for years. He was one of the top PED guys in the world till he got caught. It was inevitable that a guy like this would eventually gravitate to boxing.

The Olympic Dealer [interview with �ngel Heredia] – BoxingSocialist.com

Great post and let me just say that I think they are all cheating at the highest level or at least the vast majority thereby making it an even playing field meaning cheating cannot be used as a reason for losing. Until the powers at be take their collective heads out of their collective asses to curb its use that statusquo remains. They most likely don't want to. Juice is responsible for to many highlight reels.

Thing is @Kirkland Laing that's not evidence. Its guilt by association. Not only that, I think its safe to assume that every sports nutritionist on the planet knows Peds and how to use them. If Marquez wanted to cheat he didn't need to hire Heredia of all people. There are some pretty hard core supplements out and about that are over the counter. For guys like him that work out for a living the effects on a body type such as his could be or at least appear to be pretty dramatic.

His opponent was probably a career junior featherweight and managed to accomplish something that has never been done in over a hundred years coming all the way from 106.Carpentier started at fly and ended at hev but never destroyed opponents on the way up. Many of the people who defended Manny are now the biggest finger pointers at Marquez.

One of Marquez's biggest changes in his approach to this fight was its desired conclusion. He wanted a short fight and based his training around it. In fact the muscle build up was well on its way in the third fight. He had already lost 3 marathons including at least 1 that many thought he clearly won. He was going to take it out of the hands of the judges come hell or high water and he did.

Reasonable people who can remain objective will acknowledge the empirical footprint that led to the knockout and yet not the knockout itself. I simply cannot get my head around that. It contradicts the previous acknowledgement.

Heredia isn't a sports nutritionist. He's a pharmacist. Marquez had an actual sports nutritionist working with him when he was training to fight Mayweather and he looked nothing like he did when he fought Manny last time.

[Julius Rain]

Heredia is lower than scum, that cheat will get a bullet threw his brain. Fuck bastards like him should be cull out from the gene pool. Marquez made a huge mistake bringing him in. If Heredia wasn't in his corner there wouldn't be any asterisk next to his legacy.

[Violent Demise]

Heredia is lower than scum, that cheat will get a bullet threw his brain. Fuck bastards like him should be cull out from the gene pool. Marquez made a huge mistake bringing him in. If Heredia wasn't in his corner there wouldn't be any asterisk next to his legacy.

There is no asterisk next to his legacy. Well maybe to some Pac groupies there is. But nobody give a fuck about that shot fan base There more than half way to extinction as it is. Ever since Marquez told Pacquiao it's nap time you don't even see them around any more.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Heredia is lower than scum, that cheat will get a bullet threw his brain. Fuck bastards like him should be cull out from the gene pool. Marquez made a huge mistake bringing him in. If Heredia wasn't in his corner there wouldn't be any asterisk next to his legacy.

There is no asterisk next to his legacy. Well maybe to some Pac groupies there is. But nobody give a fuck about that shot fan base There more than half way to extinction as it is. Ever since Marquez told Pacquiao it's nap time you don't even see them around any more.

Yes they also tried to resurrect Pac through Nonito bragging on how he takes tests. . They are soooo pathetic because Nonito works with Conte the PED king. Ariza has even said that with the regimen provided and 100% commitment the results were warranted even before being fired.

[AdamGB]

Marquez is a career featherweight.

From young adulthood, say 18 years old to about 28-30 years old you fill out a bit. Boxers ut on a few more pounds over those years, move up in weight and so on.

Marquez was a featherweight until he was 32. He had one or two fights at 130 one at 135 and then made 143 to fight Floyd. At the weigh-in for Floyd he looked bloated and out of shape, like Duran looked when he moved up to welterweight. His next fight he made 133 and could probably have easily still made 130.

The exact same weight and strength training methods existed as exist today when he fought Floyd but there's a night and day difference in how he looked then and how he looks now. So much difference that there was enormous scepticism in the boxing press and the boxing industry that the change in physique at nearly 40 years of age was down to legal methods.


Marquez will tell you that it's all down to "hard work in the gym" which is the mantra of every steroid cheat of the PED era. The guy who is his strength and conditioning coach has zero qualifications as a strength and conditioning coach but has been convicted of producing and supplying various steroids and PEDs to Olympic athletes for years. He was one of the top PED guys in the world till he got caught. It was inevitable that a guy like this would eventually gravitate to boxing.

The Olympic Dealer [interview with �ngel Heredia] – BoxingSocialist.com

Great post and let me just say that I think they are all cheating at the highest level or at least the vast majority thereby making it an even playing field meaning cheating cannot be used as a reason for losing. Until the powers at be take their collective heads out of their collective asses to curb its use that statusquo remains. They most likely don't want to. Juice is responsible for to many highlight reels.

Thing is @Kirkland Laing that's not evidence. Its guilt by association. Not only that, I think its safe to assume that every sports nutritionist on the planet knows Peds and how to use them. If Marquez wanted to cheat he didn't need to hire Heredia of all people. There are some pretty hard core supplements out and about that are over the counter. For guys like him that work out for a living the effects on a body type such as his could be or at least appear to be pretty dramatic.

His opponent was probably a career junior featherweight and managed to accomplish something that has never been done in over a hundred years coming all the way from 106.Carpentier started at fly and ended at hev but never destroyed opponents on the way up. Many of the people who defended Manny are now the biggest finger pointers at Marquez.

One of Marquez's biggest changes in his approach to this fight was its desired conclusion. He wanted a short fight and based his training around it. In fact the muscle build up was well on its way in the third fight. He had already lost 3 marathons including at least 1 that many thought he clearly won. He was going to take it out of the hands of the judges come hell or high water and he did.

Reasonable people who can remain objective will acknowledge the empirical footprint that led to the knockout and yet not the knockout itself. I simply cannot get my head around that. It contradicts the previous acknowledgement.

Heredia isn't a sports nutritionist. He's a pharmacist. Marquez had an actual sports nutritionist working with him when he was training to fight Mayweather and he looked nothing like he did when he fought Manny last time.

Literally anybody can call themselves a nutritionist, it doesn't mean that they are a good one.

Would a real nutritionist have him drinking his own piss?

The fact that he had 'a' nutritionist for one fight doesn't mean that having 'a' good nutritionist the next time won't make a difference

[jahmez]

Why do you take yourself so seriously AdamGB he's just fucking with you that's all

[AdamGB]

Why do you take yourself so seriously AdamGB he's just fucking with you that's all

I don't like being fucked with by moronic pactards?
Seems a no brainer.

[Kirkland Laing]

Marquez is a career featherweight.

From young adulthood, say 18 years old to about 28-30 years old you fill out a bit. Boxers ut on a few more pounds over those years, move up in weight and so on.

Marquez was a featherweight until he was 32. He had one or two fights at 130 one at 135 and then made 143 to fight Floyd. At the weigh-in for Floyd he looked bloated and out of shape, like Duran looked when he moved up to welterweight. His next fight he made 133 and could probably have easily still made 130.

The exact same weight and strength training methods existed as exist today when he fought Floyd but there's a night and day difference in how he looked then and how he looks now. So much difference that there was enormous scepticism in the boxing press and the boxing industry that the change in physique at nearly 40 years of age was down to legal methods.


Marquez will tell you that it's all down to "hard work in the gym" which is the mantra of every steroid cheat of the PED era. The guy who is his strength and conditioning coach has zero qualifications as a strength and conditioning coach but has been convicted of producing and supplying various steroids and PEDs to Olympic athletes for years. He was one of the top PED guys in the world till he got caught. It was inevitable that a guy like this would eventually gravitate to boxing.

The Olympic Dealer [interview with �ngel Heredia] – BoxingSocialist.com

Great post and let me just say that I think they are all cheating at the highest level or at least the vast majority thereby making it an even playing field meaning cheating cannot be used as a reason for losing. Until the powers at be take their collective heads out of their collective asses to curb its use that statusquo remains. They most likely don't want to. Juice is responsible for to many highlight reels.

Thing is @Kirkland Laing that's not evidence. Its guilt by association. Not only that, I think its safe to assume that every sports nutritionist on the planet knows Peds and how to use them. If Marquez wanted to cheat he didn't need to hire Heredia of all people. There are some pretty hard core supplements out and about that are over the counter. For guys like him that work out for a living the effects on a body type such as his could be or at least appear to be pretty dramatic.

His opponent was probably a career junior featherweight and managed to accomplish something that has never been done in over a hundred years coming all the way from 106.Carpentier started at fly and ended at hev but never destroyed opponents on the way up. Many of the people who defended Manny are now the biggest finger pointers at Marquez.

One of Marquez's biggest changes in his approach to this fight was its desired conclusion. He wanted a short fight and based his training around it. In fact the muscle build up was well on its way in the third fight. He had already lost 3 marathons including at least 1 that many thought he clearly won. He was going to take it out of the hands of the judges come hell or high water and he did.

Reasonable people who can remain objective will acknowledge the empirical footprint that led to the knockout and yet not the knockout itself. I simply cannot get my head around that. It contradicts the previous acknowledgement.

Heredia isn't a sports nutritionist. He's a pharmacist. Marquez had an actual sports nutritionist working with him when he was training to fight Mayweather and he looked nothing like he did when he fought Manny last time.

Literally anybody can call themselves a nutritionist, it doesn't mean that they are a good one.

Would a real nutritionist have him drinking his own piss?

The fact that he had 'a' nutritionist for one fight doesn't mean that having 'a' good nutritionist the next time won't make a difference

Yes, as one of the world's top few fighters preparing for the biggest fight of his career he probably just employed some fucker that was hanging round the gym to be his strength and conditioning coach.

[IamInuit]

Great post and let me just say that I think they are all cheating at the highest level or at least the vast majority thereby making it an even playing field meaning cheating cannot be used as a reason for losing. Until the powers at be take their collective heads out of their collective asses to curb its use that statusquo remains. They most likely don't want to. Juice is responsible for to many highlight reels.

Thing is @Kirkland Laing that's not evidence. Its guilt by association. Not only that, I think its safe to assume that every sports nutritionist on the planet knows Peds and how to use them. If Marquez wanted to cheat he didn't need to hire Heredia of all people. There are some pretty hard core supplements out and about that are over the counter. For guys like him that work out for a living the effects on a body type such as his could be or at least appear to be pretty dramatic.

His opponent was probably a career junior featherweight and managed to accomplish something that has never been done in over a hundred years coming all the way from 106.Carpentier started at fly and ended at hev but never destroyed opponents on the way up. Many of the people who defended Manny are now the biggest finger pointers at Marquez.

One of Marquez's biggest changes in his approach to this fight was its desired conclusion. He wanted a short fight and based his training around it. In fact the muscle build up was well on its way in the third fight. He had already lost 3 marathons including at least 1 that many thought he clearly won. He was going to take it out of the hands of the judges come hell or high water and he did.

Reasonable people who can remain objective will acknowledge the empirical footprint that led to the knockout and yet not the knockout itself. I simply cannot get my head around that. It contradicts the previous acknowledgement.

Heredia isn't a sports nutritionist. He's a pharmacist. Marquez had an actual sports nutritionist working with him when he was training to fight Mayweather and he looked nothing like he did when he fought Manny last time.

Lol look he and many other pharmacists claim to be nutritionists in this business. Conversely there are probably nutritionists that have knowledge of pharmacy. Point is the guy had access to anyone and all you guys have is guilt by association and the fact that he gained a pound and muscled up. That is not evidence of fact. You find that kind of thing on the front of all those magazines at the checkout aisles right next to the cover photo of the clam with legs. Its much more likely that Marquez's experience was responsible as evident by that perfect punch then chemistry. He weighed a pound more then what he weighed for Floyd and changed that flab into tone.Its happening daily at the local gym with people who most likely don't take it as serious as him.

[AdamGB]

Great post and let me just say that I think they are all cheating at the highest level or at least the vast majority thereby making it an even playing field meaning cheating cannot be used as a reason for losing. Until the powers at be take their collective heads out of their collective asses to curb its use that statusquo remains. They most likely don't want to. Juice is responsible for to many highlight reels.

Thing is @Kirkland Laing that's not evidence. Its guilt by association. Not only that, I think its safe to assume that every sports nutritionist on the planet knows Peds and how to use them. If Marquez wanted to cheat he didn't need to hire Heredia of all people. There are some pretty hard core supplements out and about that are over the counter. For guys like him that work out for a living the effects on a body type such as his could be or at least appear to be pretty dramatic.

His opponent was probably a career junior featherweight and managed to accomplish something that has never been done in over a hundred years coming all the way from 106.Carpentier started at fly and ended at hev but never destroyed opponents on the way up. Many of the people who defended Manny are now the biggest finger pointers at Marquez.

One of Marquez's biggest changes in his approach to this fight was its desired conclusion. He wanted a short fight and based his training around it. In fact the muscle build up was well on its way in the third fight. He had already lost 3 marathons including at least 1 that many thought he clearly won. He was going to take it out of the hands of the judges come hell or high water and he did.

Reasonable people who can remain objective will acknowledge the empirical footprint that led to the knockout and yet not the knockout itself. I simply cannot get my head around that. It contradicts the previous acknowledgement.

Heredia isn't a sports nutritionist. He's a pharmacist. Marquez had an actual sports nutritionist working with him when he was training to fight Mayweather and he looked nothing like he did when he fought Manny last time.

Lol look he and many other pharmacists claim to be nutritionists in this business. Conversely there are probably nutritionists that have knowledge of pharmacy. Point is the guy had access to anyone and all you guys have is guilt by association and the fact that he gained a pound and muscled up. That is not evidence of fact. You find that kind of thing on the front of all those magazines at the checkout aisles right next to the cover photo of the clam with legs. Its much more likely that Marquez's experience was responsible as evident by that perfect punch then chemistry. He weighed a pound more then what he weighed for Floyd and changed that flab into tone.Its happening daily at the local gym with people who most likely don't take it as serious as him.

My point exactly...

[Kirkland Laing]

Great post and let me just say that I think they are all cheating at the highest level or at least the vast majority thereby making it an even playing field meaning cheating cannot be used as a reason for losing. Until the powers at be take their collective heads out of their collective asses to curb its use that statusquo remains. They most likely don't want to. Juice is responsible for to many highlight reels.

Thing is @Kirkland Laing that's not evidence. Its guilt by association. Not only that, I think its safe to assume that every sports nutritionist on the planet knows Peds and how to use them. If Marquez wanted to cheat he didn't need to hire Heredia of all people. There are some pretty hard core supplements out and about that are over the counter. For guys like him that work out for a living the effects on a body type such as his could be or at least appear to be pretty dramatic.

His opponent was probably a career junior featherweight and managed to accomplish something that has never been done in over a hundred years coming all the way from 106.Carpentier started at fly and ended at hev but never destroyed opponents on the way up. Many of the people who defended Manny are now the biggest finger pointers at Marquez.

One of Marquez's biggest changes in his approach to this fight was its desired conclusion. He wanted a short fight and based his training around it. In fact the muscle build up was well on its way in the third fight. He had already lost 3 marathons including at least 1 that many thought he clearly won. He was going to take it out of the hands of the judges come hell or high water and he did.

Reasonable people who can remain objective will acknowledge the empirical footprint that led to the knockout and yet not the knockout itself. I simply cannot get my head around that. It contradicts the previous acknowledgement.

Heredia isn't a sports nutritionist. He's a pharmacist. Marquez had an actual sports nutritionist working with him when he was training to fight Mayweather and he looked nothing like he did when he fought Manny last time.

Lol look he and many other pharmacists claim to be nutritionists in this business. Conversely there are probably nutritionists that have knowledge of pharmacy. Point is the guy had access to anyone and all you guys have is guilt by association and the fact that he gained a pound and muscled up. That is not evidence of fact. You find that kind of thing on the front of all those magazines at the checkout aisles right next to the cover photo of the clam with legs. Its much more likely that Marquez's experience was responsible as evident by that perfect punch then chemistry. He weighed a pound more then what he weighed for Floyd and changed that flab into tone.Its happening daily at the local gym with people who most likely don't take it as serious as him.

Name one qualified pharamacist who claims to be a strngth and conditioning coach other than Heredia.

[Kirkland Laing]

On December 8, 2012, Manny Pacquiao fought Juan Manuel Marquez at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. It was the fourth time that the two men had met in the ring. In thirty-six previous rounds, Marquez had been unable to knock Pacquiao down.
Marquez had a new look when he faced Pacquiao in their fourth encounter. Having trained under the supervision of Angel “Memo” Heredia (a/k/a Angel Hernandez), Juan Manuel was sporting a dramatically altered physique. To some, even his head seemed differently shaped.
Heredia’s resume includes a stint as a steroid dealer who cooperated with prosecutors after being ensnared in the BALCO drug scandal.
In round six, Marquez knocked Pacquiao unconscious with one punch. The image of Manny pitching forward and lying face-down on the canvas lingers in the mind. He lay there for a long time.
The floodgates are open now. Whether or not Marquez used illegal PEDs, a lot of fighters think that he did. And they’ll use them to further their own ring aspirations.
Pacquiao, like Marquez, has been suspected of PED use in the past and scored his share of brutal knockouts. Neither man has ever tested positive for illegal performance enhancing drugs. But it’s a matter of record that elite fighters like Fernando Vargas, James Toney, Antonio Tarver, Andre Berto, and Lamont Peterson have. Shane Mosley never tested positive, but his name surfaced in the BALCO investigation and he ultimately admitted using PEDs. Other fighters like Evander Holyfield, Jameel McCline, and Yuriorkis Gamboa have been linked to PED use by clinic records.
As I wrote nine months ago, “PED use is more prevalent in boxing now than ever before, particularly at the elite level. Fighters are reconfiguring their bodies and, in some instances, look like totally different physical beings. In a clean world, fighters don’t get older, heavier, and faster at the same time. But that’s what’s happening in boxing. Improved performances at an advanced age are becoming common. Fighters at age thirty-five are outperforming what they could do when they were thirty. In some instances, fighters are starting to perform at an elite level at an age when they would normally be expected to be on a downward slide. PEDs offer more than a shortcut. They take an athlete to a place that he, or she, might not be able to get to without them. When undertaken in conjunction with proper exercise and training, the use of PEDs creates a better athlete. The use of PEDs is also illegal, gives an athlete who uses them an unfair competitive advantage, and endangers other fighters who are getting hit in the head harder than before by opponents.”




Thomas Hauser
PEDs: When the lawsuits come














BoxingScene caught up with Marquez’s trainer Ignacio “Nacho” Beristain and was asked to give his thoughts on the upcoming clash.
“They’re going to find a completely different Juan Manuel Marquez than they saw against Pacquiao. Very strong, he’s gained speed. He’s dedicated to giving the Latino people another great victory” said Beristain.
Marquez isn’t exactly a spring chicken as he turns 40 years old today and is the reason why some doubt if Marquez can still be effective against a fighter like Bradley. Many think Bradley’s youth, strength and hunger will make the difference in the fight and aren’t sure if Marquez will be able to cope.
“We are trying to get a little more speed so we don’t give a chance to Bradley who’s fast. We are working on a lot of defense because when you make Bradley miss it’s like his batteries drain a bit. We intend on beating him [using] Mexican technique versus Bradley’s technique” Beristain would tell BoxingScene.
Both fighters have promised to bring their best and despite Marquez’s age, Beristain believes he’s still excelling at this stage of his career.
“He’s exceeding the level even though its odd seeing it at his age. He’s going to give you all a surprise”.


Luis Sandoval
Nacho: Marquez Will Be Very Strong, Faster For Bradley