Why this forum is about everything except the sweet science actually?

[p4pking]

An atheist dictator killing Catholics isn't any different than Catholics killing Protestants, Sunnis killing Shiites, Hindus killing Sihks, yada yada. Stalin and Mao were awful people with an unprecedented capacity to kill, but they may not have been atheists without the writings of Karl Marx, who never killed anyone to my knowledge. Their personal beliefs had very little to do with what horrors they inflicted imo, there WERE no atheists not all that long ago, history is still rife with monsters.

P4p, check into these things you say and you will be surprised how many of these are driven actually by land rather than beliefs. The majority of Middle Eastern issues are the cause of Churchill and Lawrence making countries borders arbitrarily. The Brits screwed all that up after the fall of the Ottoman empire. The Brits have a knack of screwing things up. The US is also guilty but England, back in the day, did a number on the Middle East. The Shiite and Sunni issues are prime examples of this. When arbitrarily making maps on the Middle East, the Brits took none of that into consideration.

Speak for yourself man, you clearly aren't thinking to far back. I suppose it all started with Churchill and Lawrence right The Middle east was a utopia before the 20th century. Religion has always been used as a scapegoat in land wars, I would never dispute that and haven't done so. Don't assume I'm as clueless as NVsemin is please, thanks.

[SugarBoxing]

Speak for yourself man, you clearly aren't thinking to far back. I suppose it all started with Churchill and Lawrence right The Middle east was a utopia before the 20th century. Religion has always been used as a scapegoat in land wars, I would never dispute that and haven't done so. Don't assume I'm as clueless as NVsemin is please, thanks.

if we want to argue, lets make sure you understand the difference between religion and faith

[p4pking]

Why would I want to argue with you anymore Semen, you are a complete cretin.

[SugarBoxing]

Why would I want to argue with you anymore Semen, you are a complete cretin.

So we are done, honey? I was just warming up ...



Glory, Glory, Hallelujah! Glory, Glory, Hallelujah!

[p4pking]

[Spicoli]

Dana Carveys church lady just came to mind

That looks like the battle flag of Japan also.

[Beanz]

An atheist dictator killing Catholics isn't any different than Catholics killing Protestants, Sunnis killing Shiites, Hindus killing Sihks, yada yada. Stalin and Mao were awful people with an unprecedented capacity to kill, but they may not have been atheists without the writings of Karl Marx, who never killed anyone to my knowledge. Their personal beliefs had very little to do with what horrors they inflicted imo, there WERE no atheists not all that long ago, history is still rife with monsters.

There are Jews (God's chosen people) and Christian, people who accepted Jesus as the only savior, the rest (most of Catholics, Protestants, Sunnis killing Shiites, Hindus killing Sihks, etc ) are in God eyes the same, though everybody has a choice to get saved.

God does not believe in atheists, most of "atheist" are either money, men (some dictator), self, or satan worshipers of different kind. People are just made like that: we have to believe in something. And these type of people bring all shit on earth including global warming bullshit, wars and such. There are million gods in this world, but there is only one true God.

Who interpreted the Bible for you ? Did you come to those conclusions on yourself or were you swayed by the words of men ? You say there is only one true God and then you claim that Jesus is the saviour? Have you forgotten the second commandment " You shall have no other gods before me" That specifically precludes compartmentalization, partners or intermediaries. So no God the father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost or did God get it wrong ? Are you just picking and choosing what parts to believe in order to judge your fellow man?

You are making a God out of yourself as soon as your utter the words "There is only one true God". You have set yourself up for conflict and Holy war. Jews were monolatrists ( and many scholars believe possibly polytheists ) not monotheists. They worshipped their own one God but never denied the existence of others. They worshipped him not because of his unique position as creator of the Universe but because he got them out of Egypt and made a covenant with them. He was a jealous God, and they owed him big time.

Your God is not the God of the Jews, your God is Jesus, through whom you believe everyone has the chance to get saved. Saved from what ? Sin. Sin earned by exercising the God given right to free will. What kind of parent gives their child a choice and then punishes them for making a choice. If Adam and Eve were perfect why would they make such a choice ? Surely only God can be perfect because everything out of a mold is merely a facsimile, an imperfect copy? Or were Adam and Eve Gods?

How many people have been killed by Religious people claiming that there is only one true God? Far too many for there justification to mean anything but a boastful pride and arrogance, that a loving God, if he really existed, would be ashamed to have associated with him. If you are so sure that your God is the same God that the Jews worshipped then be mindful that after giving the commandment not to murder he sent people in to slaughter those who worshipped a calf made by the man who he then anointed as high Priest. If you wish to align yourself with such barbarity don't expect others to be especially worried when you call them Satan worshippers or damn them to eternal damnation in burning fire.

[p4pking]

I'm sure Semin is busy preparing a riveting counter argument.

[Gandalf]

The Bible is an ancient book written by primitive people. To claim that it is the word of God and the only way of looking at the world is delusion and deception. The Bible is no more holy than any other religious tome and the thing all have in common is an astounding amount of gibberish and a tremendous level of reverence and tolerance of people who are clearly going through episodes of what can only be described as mania.

Today we can see ancient texts as reflecting attitudes of the time and place and that is all that The Bible should be used for. If we were to rely on ancient texts completely then science would not have progressed and we would have wannabe Columbus like explorers going to the moon trying to convince us all that he saw people with dog like faces just like the ancient Greeks told us. We would have to believe him as it is all there in ancient texts.

Everything about modern society puts the ancient books in their rightful place and yet The Bible is this abberation that refuses to go anywhere. You go to a hotel in London and they have The Bible in a drawer, you go to school and they have the morning prayer, you look at Israel and a country that could have been put in Texas, and yet is there and causing problems and all because of a book that is out of time.

The Bible will hold its place as long as people remain ignorant and deluded. Religion should be stamped out of all education. The reason it doesn't go away is because of parenting. Children are indocrinated and unfortunately there are a lot of parents that don't want their children growing up with open minds.

NV Semin is a case in point. It just comes across as a blinkererd, ignorant lunatic with assertions that anyone who disagrees will go to hell. It reminds me of centuries of European bloodshed and the genocide of anyone who didn't follow the blessed book and The God. Just pschopathic and repellent.

Violence throughout history has largely been carried out by lunatic religious people. The Jews experienced it throughout century after century, the Christians and the Muslims have been going at century after century too, the entire Americas was wiped out in a wave of superiority in the name of being wedded to The God. Hitler himself was a Catholic and just took centuries of history to new levels of planned wickedness.

Society has moved on a long way since The Bible. Less people follow it and more are turning to atheism and a practical way of living. However, The Bible is continuing to be used as a means of wielding power and control, when in reality and with the application of a little logic, it is a wonder that it is still where it is.

Once a week CNN will report the Popes latest musings and as always I am repelled that these senile old religious idiots are given the time of day. They offer little in the way of progression for people to help themselves. They merely encourage perpetual mental slavery and if you are in Catholic countries like the Phillipines to multiply with no way of paying for it. It's sick.

[Gandalf]

Though in saying all that, The Bible is decent for a bit of hand me down generational storytelling which is what it essentially is. It is entertaining and in much the same way as Mormonism. It is interesting hearing about golden tablets and angels of God, but it is clearly gibberish and charlatanism. The Bible is likely much the same and yet because it is really old and managed to build up so much influence through church based power accumulation we are supposed to kneel before it.

Also the New Testament is merely the story you are being told to follow. There are many other Gospels that are ignored because they don't fit the manufactured narrative. The Gospel of Judah is an obvious case in point and the church went to great lengths to eradicate it.

I think there are things you can learn from The Bible, but I think the same can be said of any imaginatively written book. However, there are definitely more interesting books than The Bible and books that tell us far more about life on earth as it actually evolved rather than the childish fairy story that The Bible conjures up all too conveniently (though understandable considering its place in time).

[Dark Lord Al]

I do not know, ask the trainer section seems deserted most of the time
Where lies your interest towards this forum and why?

We like it because there are not to many people like you.

I am special

needs , yes you are

[Gandalf]

Gospel of Judah! Hahaha!

[walrus]

An atheist dictator killing Catholics isn't any different than Catholics killing Protestants, Sunnis killing Shiites, Hindus killing Sihks, yada yada. Stalin and Mao were awful people with an unprecedented capacity to kill, but they may not have been atheists without the writings of Karl Marx, who never killed anyone to my knowledge. Their personal beliefs had very little to do with what horrors they inflicted imo, there WERE no atheists not all that long ago, history is still rife with monsters.

There are Jews (God's chosen people) and Christian, people who accepted Jesus as the only savior, the rest (most of Catholics, Protestants, Sunnis killing Shiites, Hindus killing Sihks, etc ) are in God eyes the same, though everybody has a choice to get saved.

God does not believe in atheists, most of "atheist" are either money, men (some dictator), self, or satan worshipers of different kind. People are just made like that: we have to believe in something. And these type of people bring all shit on earth including global warming bullshit, wars and such. There are million gods in this world, but there is only one true God.

What you believe is more sickening than anything I could ever wish upon anyone, and you are clearly stupid. Just to humour you; how about people born in remote or tribal regions of the world, where they would never even hear about Jesus, Judaism, or Christianity. Do they all go to hell?

All i know:

"Matthew 24:14: And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." You may address you further question to the Lord directly

Hey P4p, no they do not. You are missing a lot of theology here for which I don't blame you as it appears you are not interested in looking into it. That is fine. But since you have no interest in finding out more about it it remains difficult to conversations on the issue. The answer to your last question was answered well over a thousand years ago. Let me once again say I have no ill will towards any faiths or lack of faith. I don't like to attack anyone's faith but it seems Christianity is on the attack here. I am not condemning you guys for doing so but if you you want to maintain a discussion only by the info you have in your head it is rather difficult to do so. Believe me, I dismissed God for many years and was a proud atheist. We can continue this as I love talking faith but I want to make clear I have no ill will for you heathens for as you are now, I once was. Theologically just because you don't believe it does not mean you are going to he'll, I understand why people get fed up when they here evangelicals go off on that schpeil but there is muck more to it. St. Faustina and John Paul two went into great detail on the issue.

[SugarBoxing]

I dismissed God for many years and was a proud atheist.

Most likely you dismissed religion, which demands from men, and, if you were not a hypocrite, at some moment, you admitted honestly that you could not do it, I mean "keep the law". Religion has nothing to do with the Christianity

[walrus]

Religion simply put is any system of belief, so yes, Chisistianity does have religion.