Question on Early Tyson's Jab Mechanics

[greynotsoold]

Thinking about this...Have you seen that very early Tyson video, where he is working with Cus, and moving his head side to side and jabbing to Cus's palm? This is where you get screwed up with 'side-to-side' stuff in boxing...
In the videos posted, Tyson makes that move to the side and jabs, but he doesn't close distance and his feet aren't in a position to throw another punch. If you make that move correctly- you slip it by rolling towards the punch- that all changes.
You slide the left foot forward, roll your right shoulder like if you were throwing a right hand, and jab. You've closed distance, you are throwing a very stiff straight left hand (because your weight is going from the left foot back to the right), and you are in a position to throw a right hand, or to duck/bob/weave/etc... to avoid a possible counter.
Tyson left himself, in each clip, standing on one foot, all his weight in one place. If the opponent had punched back, he had to get hit. You can't do much with all your weight on your left leg.

[nikola_ganchev]

Isn't this the sparing in which he gets knocked down?

[SugarBoxing]

Tnx for everybody's effort

Of course, Tyson threw different jabs, so to make it clear, I am talking about this particular jab from pics above

I feel that
1) he begins thee punch from the hips, twisting a bit. This create tension in the upper body
2) Then he add torso twist by brining the right shoulder slightly backwards. This protrudes the left shoulder forward
3) Then he snaps at the torso and the shoulder, throwing the fist forward
4) Because the hip twist, he naturally moves more to the side, than forward. He Raises the moves to the side his front leg
5) He deliberately inclines the torso with the head to the left to get out of the line of the attack liek you mentioned
6) he lands the punch while landing the left feet and stopping the body motion to transfer the mass to the fist
7) Immediately weaves to the left, sometimes raising the right leg for balance

What do ya think?

[greynotsoold]

If you raise the right leg, you are standing on one foot and your balance is precarious. I think he should begin the move from his hips; I don't think that he does. I think he leans and then twist to compensate. look at how bad his feet are at the end of each clip.

[SugarBoxing]

look at how bad his feet are at the end of each clip.

After I studied Tyson for a while, I begin to see many technical "mistakes" in the sense that it all could have been done better, more perfect like Cus demanded. But I guess what worked was the huge element of surprise about his style in general, since most of the opponents simply did not know what to do with it at all

[greynotsoold]

look at how bad his feet are at the end of each clip.

After I studied Tyson for a while, I begin to see many technical "mistakes" in the sense that it all could have been done better, more perfect like Cus demanded. But I guess what worked was the huge element of surprise about his style in general, since most of the opponents simply did not know what to do with it at all

I always thought that he fought like a bantamweight, if that makes sense? As HWs get bigger, they lose mobility and agility, and he fought like a smaller fighter. Like Dempsey.
I don't know if those imperfections were short of what Cus demanded, or just a part of the style. Being squared up like that- on your feet- is a problem to begin with.

[Andre]

Well he never suffered from under commitment thats for sure. He even went for lead uppercuts,hook arms out the way before moving in square and would at times block stuff with his forehead so he could stay in tight.
He took some sloppy techniques and made them strengths through overcommitment.
Till he got caught out by someone not intimidated who could counter as hard as he gave then the wheels fell off.
It was a great time to see someone fight with such faith and abandonment though.
He would of scared the life out of me if you couldnt hurt him with a counter you were in big trouble within seconds.

[BCBUD]

look at how bad his feet are at the end of each clip.

After I studied Tyson for a while, I begin to see many technical "mistakes" in the sense that it all could have been done better, more perfect like Cus demanded. But I guess what worked was the huge element of surprise about his style in general, since most of the opponents simply did not know what to do with it at all

I always thought that he fought like a bantamweight, if that makes sense? As HWs get bigger, they lose mobility and agility, and he fought like a smaller fighter. Like Dempsey.
I don't know if those imperfections were short of what Cus demanded, or just a part of the style. Being squared up like that- on your feet- is a problem to begin with.

Wouldn't he have to square up being the smaller man?