Question on Early Tyson's Jab Mechanics

[nikola_ganchev]

Isn't this the sparing in which he gets knocked down?

[SugarBoxing]

Tnx for everybody's effort

Of course, Tyson threw different jabs, so to make it clear, I am talking about this particular jab from pics above

I feel that
1) he begins thee punch from the hips, twisting a bit. This create tension in the upper body
2) Then he add torso twist by brining the right shoulder slightly backwards. This protrudes the left shoulder forward
3) Then he snaps at the torso and the shoulder, throwing the fist forward
4) Because the hip twist, he naturally moves more to the side, than forward. He Raises the moves to the side his front leg
5) He deliberately inclines the torso with the head to the left to get out of the line of the attack liek you mentioned
6) he lands the punch while landing the left feet and stopping the body motion to transfer the mass to the fist
7) Immediately weaves to the left, sometimes raising the right leg for balance

What do ya think?

[greynotsoold]

If you raise the right leg, you are standing on one foot and your balance is precarious. I think he should begin the move from his hips; I don't think that he does. I think he leans and then twist to compensate. look at how bad his feet are at the end of each clip.

[SugarBoxing]

look at how bad his feet are at the end of each clip.

After I studied Tyson for a while, I begin to see many technical "mistakes" in the sense that it all could have been done better, more perfect like Cus demanded. But I guess what worked was the huge element of surprise about his style in general, since most of the opponents simply did not know what to do with it at all

[greynotsoold]

look at how bad his feet are at the end of each clip.

After I studied Tyson for a while, I begin to see many technical "mistakes" in the sense that it all could have been done better, more perfect like Cus demanded. But I guess what worked was the huge element of surprise about his style in general, since most of the opponents simply did not know what to do with it at all

I always thought that he fought like a bantamweight, if that makes sense? As HWs get bigger, they lose mobility and agility, and he fought like a smaller fighter. Like Dempsey.
I don't know if those imperfections were short of what Cus demanded, or just a part of the style. Being squared up like that- on your feet- is a problem to begin with.

[Andre]

Well he never suffered from under commitment thats for sure. He even went for lead uppercuts,hook arms out the way before moving in square and would at times block stuff with his forehead so he could stay in tight.
He took some sloppy techniques and made them strengths through overcommitment.
Till he got caught out by someone not intimidated who could counter as hard as he gave then the wheels fell off.
It was a great time to see someone fight with such faith and abandonment though.
He would of scared the life out of me if you couldnt hurt him with a counter you were in big trouble within seconds.

[BCBUD]

look at how bad his feet are at the end of each clip.

After I studied Tyson for a while, I begin to see many technical "mistakes" in the sense that it all could have been done better, more perfect like Cus demanded. But I guess what worked was the huge element of surprise about his style in general, since most of the opponents simply did not know what to do with it at all

I always thought that he fought like a bantamweight, if that makes sense? As HWs get bigger, they lose mobility and agility, and he fought like a smaller fighter. Like Dempsey.
I don't know if those imperfections were short of what Cus demanded, or just a part of the style. Being squared up like that- on your feet- is a problem to begin with.

Wouldn't he have to square up being the smaller man?

[OMGWTF]

He thew 2 types of jab most of teh time, a hip powered jab with a push off, and a typical arm jab (typically following the hip one when he x2 up) he leant to the side to avoid the counter, just like you would slip and jab except its from his square on stance so its slightly different, the leaning to the side is not part of the mechanics of the jab he just slips often cause he has to get inside.