Angel Adams, 37 yrs old with 15 kids and complaining about lack of gov't assistance

[Gandalf]

No, they don't deserve 30 dollars an hour, but enough to pay the bills, rent, and put food on the table. Otherwise, those jobs just shouldn't exist and people need burgers and corporations can manage by paying labour what they deserve.

What passes between me and VC is just that too. It is none of your business and I think VC is testament to my ability to say sorry after crossing the line. You on the other hand never do so. You cannot get much more nasty than to say one 'has no redeemable qualities' and have a repeated variation of that time and time again. Now I don't have a whole lot of time for dead soldiers in Iraq, I make no bones about that. They shouldn't have been there. That is how I feel about wars based on lies, I think VC now admits Iraq was a mistake too. To say one one has no redeemable qualities for the relatively benign life choices that I make is a bit extreme. You try to paint me with the same rhetoric as would be used with a serial killer or something, when all I am is a member of this online community. This is my home as much as yours, so please don't paint me with the same kind of rhetoric as the kind of war criminal revealed by Wikileaks.

To constantly attack my work in thread after thread when it has nothing to do with the threads at hand is extremely weak too. As I say, I have worked bloody hard to get an education and do what I do. I don't like it to be sniffed at. Me being an educator has nothing to do with being a private man with strong political views. You have them too, should all people with political views join the government assistance crowd? Should we just quit and become a hippy and an isolationist following our respective unemployed paths? I'm good at what I do, and maybe you are good at whatever you do, but we still have those tangents that are not part of the mainstream. That's who we are.

In response to you, I do become extremely harsh myself and I know that. I know I can be exasperating, but you are another side of the same coin. It's annoying because I don't particularly want to be at constant odds with you, but you keep jumping into threads like the Syria one and seemingly for no other reason than an attempt to annoy me. It escalates and then we are at war again. It's like the Middle East.

[El Kabong]

No, they don't deserve 30 dollars an hour, but enough to pay the bills, rent, and put food on the table. Otherwise, those jobs just shouldn't exist and people need burgers and corporations can manage by paying labour what they deserve.

What passes between me and VC is just that too. It is none of your business and I think VC is testament to my ability to say sorry after crossing the line. You on the other hand never do so. You cannot get much more nasty than to say one 'has no redeemable qualities' and have a repeated variation of that time and time again. Now I don't have a whole lot of time for dead soldiers in Iraq, I make no bones about that. They shouldn't have been there. That is how I feel about wars based on lies, I think VC now admits Iraq was a mistake too. To say one one has no redeemable qualities for the relatively benign life choices that I make is a bit extreme. You try to paint me with the same rhetoric as would be used with a serial killer or something, when all I am is a member of this online community. This is my home as much as yours, so please don't paint me with the same kind of rhetoric as the kind of war criminal revealed by Wikileaks.

To constantly attack my work in thread after thread when it has nothing to do with the threads at hand is extremely weak too. As I say, I have worked bloody hard to get an education and do what I do. I don't like it to be sniffed at. Me being an educator has nothing to do with being a private man with strong political views. You have them too, should all people with political views join the government assistance crowd? Should we just quit and become a hippy and an isolationist following our respective unemployed paths? I'm good at what I do, and maybe you are good at whatever you do, but we still have those tangents that are not part of the mainstream. That's who we are.

In response to you, I do become extremely harsh myself and I know that. I know I can be exasperating, but you are another side of the same coin. It's annoying because I don't particularly want to be at constant odds with you, but you keep jumping into threads like the Syria one and seemingly for no other reason than an attempt to annoy me. It escalates and then we are at war again. It's like the Middle East.

Why does a teenager need to pay bills and rent? They will be living at home with mom & dad and buying bubble gum and baseball cards and apps on their phones not paying rent and bills.


Oh so what's between you & VC is just between you two, but what I say about anyone else is your business? Also have you ever apologized to VC? I mean you DID call him a murderer, does a simple "I'm sorry" fix that?

I use your work to bring you down to Earth. You act as if you're beyond reproach, as if you hover over humanity like a god as if we should admire your every single tedious thought. You're well educated enough, you have been known on occasion to make solid arguments, you can poke fun at yourself and fair play to all that, but when you get on your soapbox and flaunt your skewed views of America it irks me because you have no clue about America and you aren't even willing to learn.

So I should have no say in the Syria thread or only have no say if it conflicts with your views? You irk me when you use the alcohol thread to blather on about non-booze related crap.

[Gandalf]

Well, you are clearly not being reasonable.

Yes, I have apologised to Victor Charlie. Again, why should I tell you? VC has admitted the war was wrong too, so maybe my accusation that the Iraq war was wrong is also something he agrees with. We have our own rather curious ways, but on the whole he comes across as far less angry and bullying than you.

You use my line of work to bring me down to earth? Forgive me for not working in the NSA, or in the military, or as a CIA agent inciting revolution in Iran because they had the audacity to nationalise their own resources etc etc. Good national causes, Lyle! Much better than those English teachers. BTW, what was it, you do? Oh, top secret.

I know plenty about America. I read the same media that you all do and its a big country. On that basis, I know about America just as much as you do. However, I read better media and so probably know more.

[El Kabong]

Well, you are clearly not being reasonable.

That disregarding bullshit right there...THAT irks me. So because someone has a different point of view from you they're "unreasonable"? I fucking LIVE in America, I've lived here my entire life, and NO you don't know more about America because you "read better media"....I LIVE HERE and you have never set foot upon the soil of this country so yes your views on America are quite bigoted, you're willfully ignorant of what the United States is about.


You called VC a murderer...several times over....because of HIS occupation, so yeah I'll fucking call you out for being a teacher. I own a small business, I operate in the big scary "real world" the one where results are demanded. Also, I didn't see any apology to VC...where and when was this? And if the insult is public then the apology should be public too, it's only fair.


Whether or not the War in Iraq was "wrong" is erroneous, my view has always been that the war was going to happen regardless of who won the election between W and Gore (check YouTube for what the Liberals said about Saddam in 2000). It stemmed from the ending of the Persian Gulf War which did not see Saddam Hussein kicked out of power. Also, and I'm sorry if this offends you, but if my country is in a war I want us to WIN it is worthless and stupid to go to war just to do so. Win quickly, decisively, and with few casualties, that is what I want if there is to be war and there will be war, it's just how humans operate.

[Gandalf]

Fucking conceited, aggressive and arrogant. Doubly angry?

My relationship with VC is once again none of your concern. Again, I hate to break this to you, but teachers don't hurt anybody. Soldiers are trained to do so. I am not into any profession that is trained to follow orders and hurt people. Today it was estimated that half a million people died in Iraq. For a war that VC admits was a 'mistake'. Okay, I think that is a brilliant thing for VC to say on that issue. I apologised for my misdemeanor to him personally and he admitted that your country probably fucked up. It's fair enough. That story is done and dusted. Over. You however, keep going on about it as though VC is your pet parrot that I hit with a club. Get over it.

Also, of course you live in America. Do you really think I hate your country? Some of you, and I do say some, are lovely. But some are frankly just obnoxious, loud, and weird. However, you know nothing more about the majority of the states than I do, so deal with it. You live in North Carolina and know about your area the size of England, but you do not represent America. I imagine I have a lot more in common with people in the Eastern and Western states. In those places I am probably more American than you are politically and socially. Sad, but true. You are a bit of an oddball.

As for the war in Iraq. You lost the war, killed half a million, and are still defending it. That's why VC is a man, he can reflect somewhat. You follow it through to the end. Wlad, hugging is just! Global warming, hoax! Iraq, had to be done! Every single issue, just mad and extreme and to the end.

[El Kabong]

miles, you'd have to clear some space for me to reply to your PM

[VictorCharlie]

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Damn't yall's rift is the best entertainment on this site. Put that ugly nastiness out in public for us all to gawk at. Let me help.

Miles: Lyle your fat inbred loser who is my intellectual inferior in every way

Lyle: Miles your a cunt who can't see out of the cocoon of academia and self righteousness you have built. Go cut yourself again you disgusting excuse for a human being.