Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the all-time great heavyweights?

[El Kabong]

There are fighters he couldnt beat that his brother had to fight.

Such as?

Sanders

Oh and not like Chris Byrd?


Your turn jackass

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How does that prove me wrong dunce?

All youve done is point out how crap they both are

He is not a top all time great he isnt even the best now for fuck sakes!

Where ever you put Wlad, Vitali would have to be one higher. Vitali losing Lewis is better than anything Wlad has done.

[Britkid]

If the word is to mean something, Wlad, like all but arguably the top five or so (purely) Heavyweights is not a great.

As for his placing in the grand scheme of things, I would say he is top 30, slightly behind big brother, who was more consistent.

Why? I mean given the length of reign as champion, the amount of title fights, the successful defenses in a row, the sheer dominance he has shown...why only "top 30"? And why behind Vitali?

He has never been the generally recognized Heavyweight Champion of the World. He has beaten everything put in front of him comfortably for coming up for a decade, but the era is so weak and THE meaningful fight so untouchable, it hurts his resume.

As for Vitali over Wlad, well as a big Brother myself, I would not for one second, not belief I would be the dominant brother in 'physical altercations', no matter that I have not had a 'brawl' with my brothers in 15/20 years! Also Vitali did not get blown away in his pomp like Wlad did early in his peak years.

[El Kabong]

How many times did Tyson defend his titles ross? I mean since your buddy Tyson is an "All-time great" and all

Also Vitali did not get blown away in his pomp like Wlad did early in his peak years.

Wlad's peak years have come since he had Manny Steward as trainer. As for "He has never been the generally recognized Heavyweight Champion of the World" that's bullcrap and you know it. Also this "The era is weak" #1 Wlad has 0 control over how good whoever he fights is and #2 Other fighters have had weak eras and haven't accomplished what he has.

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How many times did Tyson defend his titles ross? I mean since your buddy Tyson is an "All-time great" and all

Also Vitali did not get blown away in his pomp like Wlad did early in his peak years.

Wlad's peak years have come since he had Manny Steward as trainer. As for "He has never been the generally recognized Heavyweight Champion of the World" that's bullcrap and you know it. Also this "The era is weak" #1 Wlad has 0 control over how good whoever he fights is and #2 Other fighters have had weak eras and haven't accomplished what he has.

He defended the 3 unified titles 6 successfull times, losing them in the 7th defence.

Holyfield only defened the unified titles 2 times and Lewis just once.

If you have all the major belts you have to face all the top fighters and in quick succession. Mike cleared out the division single handidly.

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How many times did Tyson defend his titles ross? I mean since your buddy Tyson is an "All-time great" and all

Also Vitali did not get blown away in his pomp like Wlad did early in his peak years.

Wlad's peak years have come since he had Manny Steward as trainer. As for "He has never been the generally recognized Heavyweight Champion of the World" that's bullcrap and you know it. Also this "The era is weak" #1 Wlad has 0 control over how good whoever he fights is and #2 Other fighters have had weak eras and haven't accomplished what he has.

No.

If Vitali and Wlad fought Vitali would win.

[El Kabong]

He defended the 3 unified titles 6 successfull times, losing them in the 7th defence.

Holyfield only defened the unified titles 2 times and Lewis just once.

If you have all the major belts you have to face all the top fighters and in quick succession. Mike cleared out the division single handidly.

He cleared out the dregs left to him from the Larry Holmes era

[Master]

Wlad is better than his brother now but at their best Vitali may have won although he is very robotic he is more sturdy. Wlad is a difficult fighter to beat for any of the greats but I would have him outside of the top ten. Wlad still has a bit more to go.

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He defended the 3 unified titles 6 successfull times, losing them in the 7th defence.

Holyfield only defened the unified titles 2 times and Lewis just once.

If you have all the major belts you have to face all the top fighters and in quick succession. Mike cleared out the division single handidly.

He cleared out the dregs left to him from the Larry Holmes era

Dregs?

3 of them were undefeated

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Wlad is better than his brother now but at their best Vitali may have won although he is very robotic he is more sturdy. Wlad is a difficult fighter to beat for any of the greats but I would have him outside of the top ten. Wlad still has a bit more to go.

Any threat and he fights scared.

Against Vitali he'd have tried holding and leaning but against someone his own size who isn't just a punch bag he would wilt.

If Fury fights Wlad next year and wins, does this wipe out any notion of Wlad ever being a top heavy in history?

[Master]

Wlad is better than his brother now but at their best Vitali may have won although he is very robotic he is more sturdy. Wlad is a difficult fighter to beat for any of the greats but I would have him outside of the top ten. Wlad still has a bit more to go.

Any threat and he fights scared.

Against Vitali he'd have tried holding and leaning but against someone his own size who isn't just a punch bag he would wilt.

If Fury fights Wlad next year and wins, does this wipe out any notion of Wlad ever being a top heavy in history?

Wlad was very disappointing against Povetkin but his consistency against the crap that is out there has to be admired. Joe Louis and Holmes had it but it is very difficult to stay motivated and be consistent. This is why I have Wlad that high.

[ross]

Wlad is better than his brother now but at their best Vitali may have won although he is very robotic he is more sturdy. Wlad is a difficult fighter to beat for any of the greats but I would have him outside of the top ten. Wlad still has a bit more to go.

Any threat and he fights scared.

Against Vitali he'd have tried holding and leaning but against someone his own size who isn't just a punch bag he would wilt.

If Fury fights Wlad next year and wins, does this wipe out any notion of Wlad ever being a top heavy in history?

Wlad was very disappointing against Povetkin but his consistency against the crap that is out there has to be admired. Joe Louis and Holmes had it but it is very difficult to stay motivated and be consistent. This is why I have Wlad that high.

I agree with that but its not as impressive as doing that as THE only heavyweight champ.

Lets imagine Vitali didnt exist.

Would Wlad go for unification? How long would he last as unified champ?

[El Kabong]

I agree with that but its not as impressive as doing that as THE only heavyweight champ.

Lets imagine Vitali didnt exist.

Would Wlad go for unification? How long would he last as unified champ?

OK, let's imagine Vitali doesn't exist and Wlad fights everyone he's fought AND everyone Vitali has fought since his comeback.

Do YOU see anyone beating Wlad? I sure as shit don't. Cris Arreola would have been dangerous for a round or 4 but second half of the fight, no way. Briggs is always dangerous for A big punch, but Wlad doesn't give opportunities to land the 1 big punch. Adamek would have been easy, Wlad could beat Sam Peter a third time no problem, Kevin Johnson offered nothing I think Wlad would have had an easier time with him, and Stiverne? Meh...another guy looking for 1 shot.

[ross]

All ifs and buts.

He needs to either fight and beat Vitali or Vitali to retire right now so Wlad has a chance to win his title and defend all of them. While Vitali is around Wlad isnt the best because they refuse to fight each other. I belive Vitali wins but regardless, that unkown is holding back any real regard or legacy because in the future it will always be questioned because of his brother.

[Dark Lord Al]

Wlad is better than his brother now but at their best Vitali may have won although he is very robotic he is more sturdy. Wlad is a difficult fighter to beat for any of the greats but I would have him outside of the top ten. Wlad still has a bit more to go.

Any threat and he fights scared.

Against Vitali he'd have tried holding and leaning but against someone his own size who isn't just a punch bag he would wilt.

If Fury fights Wlad next year and wins, does this wipe out any notion of Wlad ever being a top heavy in history?

Lyles logic is all ifs and buts ? however yours isn't ?