Latest p4p rankings. Agree or disagree?

[Violent Demise]

C'mon.... between you and me. You know Canelo has no business in the top 10 p4p list.



Take off your biased hat and put on your knowledgeable boxing hat.... that's right.
Now think about it.

Just trying to be helpful here.

A victory over Austin Trout. You know the guy who had his way with your Miguel Cotto means a lot more than wins over Matthew Macklin and Curtis Stevens combined. It's that simple. If you think otherwise than there really is no hope for you.

[TitoFan]

C'mon.... between you and me. You know Canelo has no business in the top 10 p4p list.



Take off your biased hat and put on your knowledgeable boxing hat.... that's right.
Now think about it.

Just trying to be helpful here.

A victory over Austin Trout. You know the guy who had his way with your Miguel Cotto means a lot more than wins over Matthew Macklin and Curtis Stevens combined. It's that simple. If you think otherwise than there really is no hope for you.

One meaningful victory, VD. ONE. There's a conga line of boxers out there with more than just the one meaningful victory who are a hell of a lot more deserving for a spot in the top ten p4p than Canelo.

Canelo is still on the way up, VD. But there's no shortcuts into the elite. That shit's got to be earned over time, and with a hell of a lot more than one meaningful opponent.

[TitoFan]

Anyway, VD... opinions are just that.... opinions. You think Canelo belongs in the top 10. I don't. I didn't even put Cotto in there, and he's got a lot more reasons to be in there than Canelo. Cotto's the decorated veteran, with the HOF resume. Cotto looked 20 times better against Floyd than Canelo did. Cotto faced better opposition in his first 15-20 fights... than Canelo has faced in his total 40-some. Etc, etc, etc. But I'm not here crowing about Cotto having to be on the list, because I know he's lost some fights, and is on the downhill side of a great career. Objectiveness..... it's a good concept. Try it sometime.

[ono]

Biggest gripe is having Wlad in there. P4P by it's definition assumes that every fighter is the same size and weight. If Wlad was a 5'8 welterweight, he would struggle to be in the top ten at 147 imo.

[Silkeyjoe]

Biggest gripe is having Wlad in there. P4P by it's definition assumes that every fighter is the same size and weight. If Wlad was a 5'8 welterweight, he would struggle to be in the top ten at 147 imo.

Stupidest thing I ever heard. If hearns was a 5'8 Welterweight he would have been shit.

[Silkeyjoe]

My 10

Floyd
Ward
Bradley
JMM
Wlad
Garcia
Garcia
Rigo
GGG
Kovalev

[Violent Demise]

C'mon.... between you and me. You know Canelo has no business in the top 10 p4p list.



Take off your biased hat and put on your knowledgeable boxing hat.... that's right.
Now think about it.

Just trying to be helpful here.

A victory over Austin Trout. You know the guy who had his way with your Miguel Cotto means a lot more than wins over Matthew Macklin and Curtis Stevens combined. It's that simple. If you think otherwise than there really is no hope for you.

One meaningful victory, VD. ONE. There's a conga line of boxers out there with more than just the one meaningful victory who are a hell of a lot more deserving for a spot in the top ten p4p than Canelo.

Canelo is still on the way up, VD. But there's no shortcuts into the elite. That shit's got to be earned over time, and with a hell of a lot more than one meaningful opponent.

Golovkin ain't even got one yet. And you got him up there. You can't even follow your own stupid logic. I'm a big fan of Triple G. But lets be real here. Stevens and Macklin ain't big wins.

[powerpuncher]

the problem is that a p4p list is created differently for everybody. is it really who is the best fighter? or if there was a fluke KO, does that fighter go down? for example, lets say that mayweather is fighting garcia. mayweather is winning the whole fight easily and then mayweather slips and gets caught with a left that KO's him in the 12th round. does that move him down on the list? does that really mean that he still isnt the best? do we do the p4p list like we do weight class rankings? as in, if the fighter loses, do they automatically drop? or are we just saying who the best is regardless of what happened in their last fight?

[Fenster]

Disagree. I have it...

1. Guzman
2. Floyd
3. Garcia
4. Pac
5. Nucky Thompson
6. Richard Harrow
7. Callum Smith
8. Naz
9. OumaFan
10. ross

Fact.

[TitoFan]

C'mon.... between you and me. You know Canelo has no business in the top 10 p4p list.



Take off your biased hat and put on your knowledgeable boxing hat.... that's right.
Now think about it.

Just trying to be helpful here.

A victory over Austin Trout. You know the guy who had his way with your Miguel Cotto means a lot more than wins over Matthew Macklin and Curtis Stevens combined. It's that simple. If you think otherwise than there really is no hope for you.

One meaningful victory, VD. ONE. There's a conga line of boxers out there with more than just the one meaningful victory who are a hell of a lot more deserving for a spot in the top ten p4p than Canelo.

Canelo is still on the way up, VD. But there's no shortcuts into the elite. That shit's got to be earned over time, and with a hell of a lot more than one meaningful opponent.

Golovkin ain't even got one yet. And you got him up there. You can't even follow your own stupid logic. I'm a big fan of Triple G. But lets be real here. Stevens and Macklin ain't big wins.

Yeah... you're right.
They're nowhere as big as a shot Shane Mosley and an undersized Josesito Lopez.

But hey it's my mistake.
Just goes to show you can't be civil to a proven moron.

[Violent Demise]

C'mon.... between you and me. You know Canelo has no business in the top 10 p4p list.



Take off your biased hat and put on your knowledgeable boxing hat.... that's right.
Now think about it.

Just trying to be helpful here.

A victory over Austin Trout. You know the guy who had his way with your Miguel Cotto means a lot more than wins over Matthew Macklin and Curtis Stevens combined. It's that simple. If you think otherwise than there really is no hope for you.

One meaningful victory, VD. ONE. There's a conga line of boxers out there with more than just the one meaningful victory who are a hell of a lot more deserving for a spot in the top ten p4p than Canelo.

Canelo is still on the way up, VD. But there's no shortcuts into the elite. That shit's got to be earned over time, and with a hell of a lot more than one meaningful opponent.

Golovkin ain't even got one yet. And you got him up there. You can't even follow your own stupid logic. I'm a big fan of Triple G. But lets be real here. Stevens and Macklin ain't big wins.

Yeah... you're right.
They're nowhere as big as a shot Shane Mosley and an undersized Josesito Lopez.

But hey it's my mistake.
Just goes to show you can't be civil to a proven moron.

I'm gonna make this question as idiot proof as possible for you. You have Golovkin over Alvarez on the list. Which of Golovkin wins is better than Alvarez win over Austin Trout? All you gotta do state a name. That's it. Just a name. Don't even try and a give a reason why you think it's better. You'll only embarrass yourself further with your nonsense. So just state a name. There's no way you can fuck this up. Just give a name

[powerpuncher]

does it really matter who has the best win out of them? isnt this just a list of who you think is better?

[Gandalf]

Outrageous talk. James Toney is clearly P4P number one again after Prizefighter and Manny Pac is still number 2 for me. I don't see how a single loss can erase the previous years of exceptionalism (Obama's word, not mine).

[Violent Demise]

does it really matter who has the best win out of them? isnt this just a list of who you think is better?

Lot of people are idiots. There opinion on who they think is better is useless. So yes it matters.

[TitoFan]

C'mon.... between you and me. You know Canelo has no business in the top 10 p4p list.



Take off your biased hat and put on your knowledgeable boxing hat.... that's right.
Now think about it.

Just trying to be helpful here.

A victory over Austin Trout. You know the guy who had his way with your Miguel Cotto means a lot more than wins over Matthew Macklin and Curtis Stevens combined. It's that simple. If you think otherwise than there really is no hope for you.

One meaningful victory, VD. ONE. There's a conga line of boxers out there with more than just the one meaningful victory who are a hell of a lot more deserving for a spot in the top ten p4p than Canelo.

Canelo is still on the way up, VD. But there's no shortcuts into the elite. That shit's got to be earned over time, and with a hell of a lot more than one meaningful opponent.

Golovkin ain't even got one yet. And you got him up there. You can't even follow your own stupid logic. I'm a big fan of Triple G. But lets be real here. Stevens and Macklin ain't big wins.

Yeah... you're right.
They're nowhere as big as a shot Shane Mosley and an undersized Josesito Lopez.

But hey it's my mistake.
Just goes to show you can't be civil to a proven moron.

I'm gonna make this question as idiot proof as possible for you. You have Golovkin over Alvarez on the list. Which of Golovkin wins is better than Alvarez win over Austin Trout? All you gotta do state a name. That's it. Just a name. Don't even try and a give a reason why you think it's better. You'll only embarrass yourself further with your nonsense. So just state a name. There's no way you can fuck this up. Just give a name

I'll give you 3 names. Three names of fighters who should easily rank ahead of Ginger in the p4p list. Matthysse, Donaire, and Mikey Garcia. Lucas and Nonito have lost... but each has a hell of a lot better resume than Ginger. I'll say it again, but my patience with your biased ignorance is wearing thin. One good fight does not a top 10 p4p fighter make. No matter how many times you may have serviced the young man.

Got it? Ginger's one good fight against a credible opponent does not warrant p4p consideration. To keep insisting that it does undermines your already ridiculously low credibility.