Forget the rematch , Hearn to meet HBO next week

[Memphis]

Cracking start but 2, 3 and 4? Seriously?

[erics44]

I think it sucks that they aren't trying to give Groves the rematch he deserves.

I think it's great news that Groves isn't getting the rematch. he wouldn't get a fair shake against Hearns' cash cow, That's already proven. He's a free agent, he should be looking to get the promoter who can deliver a shot at Stieglitz's WBO Title. He's next in line on their rankings after Abraham and Abraham has already been KO'd by him 6 months ago.No Guarantees that he beats him, but at least he won't get robbed.
As for Froch, I know Amir Khan has his own agenda, but one thing he said I agree with: whoever Froch fights next, he gets beat. I personally think HBO will see Froch as an easy title to get to enhance the credibility of either GGG or Chavez jr. Froch has been exposed big time!

what exactly has froch been exposed as?

Slow
Flat Footed
Susceptible to the big overhand Right
Generally easy to hit.
Inability to throw decent combinations - see flat footed
Resort to Dirty tactics when desperate (forearms , elbows, hitting on the break, etc.) - I actually think this also shows good character that he doesn't want to lose to be fair.

And the only other thing he's got going for him is an undoubted granite chin! but you don't win fights by TAKING Punches.
let's not forget that before the fight , "Groves didn't deserve to be in the same ring , would run all night and was definitely getting flattened early GUARANTEED!"

was he exposed as all these against pascal, taylor, kessler, abraham, johnson, bute?

Well actually, yes.
Pascal- before he fought Froch, what had he actually done?
Taylor- a quicker man moving up a weight who for 11 rounds and 2 mins 46secs outboxed Froch.
Kessler- 1st fight yes, 2nd fight was more about how much Kessler had deteriorated.
Abraham- blown up Middleweight who got schooled by Andre Dirrell in the fight before Froch. By the way, I notice you never mentioned Dirrell, because he outboxed Froch as well.
Johnson- he struggled against a tough old man, and Groves beat Johnson better than Froch did.
Bute- that is the one on your list I cannot really pick holes in.
My point is that whether you agree with me or not, there are question marks about all of them. I've got to say in his defence , his chin is amazing and he's never ducked anyone.

which fighters do you see as having a better record than froch?

British past or present or world past or present? and super middle or any weight? It's a pretty open question.

i like it that wy, you can chose anyone anywhere anytime, the floor is yours

Well I don't know what your point is , but I'll keep it brief and off the top of my head because I'm busy. Here goes.

Ward, Hatton, Calzaghe, Haye , Chavez, Mayweather , Martinez , Golovkin , Collins, Eubank , Benn, Roy Jones , Canelo, Both Klits, Lennox Lewis , if you give me a couple of days, I'll come up with a thousand others as well. With the exception of Canelo and the Klits , I'm trying to keep it relevant to him and his "Legacy"

i disagree with a fair few of those, id go as far to say that to suggest some of them have a better record than froch is funny

[Primo Carnera]

I think it sucks that they aren't trying to give Groves the rematch he deserves.

I think it's great news that Groves isn't getting the rematch. he wouldn't get a fair shake against Hearns' cash cow, That's already proven. He's a free agent, he should be looking to get the promoter who can deliver a shot at Stieglitz's WBO Title. He's next in line on their rankings after Abraham and Abraham has already been KO'd by him 6 months ago.No Guarantees that he beats him, but at least he won't get robbed.
As for Froch, I know Amir Khan has his own agenda, but one thing he said I agree with: whoever Froch fights next, he gets beat. I personally think HBO will see Froch as an easy title to get to enhance the credibility of either GGG or Chavez jr. Froch has been exposed big time!

what exactly has froch been exposed as?

Slow
Flat Footed
Susceptible to the big overhand Right
Generally easy to hit.
Inability to throw decent combinations - see flat footed
Resort to Dirty tactics when desperate (forearms , elbows, hitting on the break, etc.) - I actually think this also shows good character that he doesn't want to lose to be fair.

And the only other thing he's got going for him is an undoubted granite chin! but you don't win fights by TAKING Punches.
let's not forget that before the fight , "Groves didn't deserve to be in the same ring , would run all night and was definitely getting flattened early GUARANTEED!"

was he exposed as all these against pascal, taylor, kessler, abraham, johnson, bute?

Well actually, yes.
Pascal- before he fought Froch, what had he actually done?
Taylor- a quicker man moving up a weight who for 11 rounds and 2 mins 46secs outboxed Froch.
Kessler- 1st fight yes, 2nd fight was more about how much Kessler had deteriorated.
Abraham- blown up Middleweight who got schooled by Andre Dirrell in the fight before Froch. By the way, I notice you never mentioned Dirrell, because he outboxed Froch as well.
Johnson- he struggled against a tough old man, and Groves beat Johnson better than Froch did.
Bute- that is the one on your list I cannot really pick holes in.
My point is that whether you agree with me or not, there are question marks about all of them. I've got to say in his defence , his chin is amazing and he's never ducked anyone.

which fighters do you see as having a better record than froch?

British past or present or world past or present? and super middle or any weight? It's a pretty open question.

i like it that wy, you can chose anyone anywhere anytime, the floor is yours

Well I don't know what your point is , but I'll keep it brief and off the top of my head because I'm busy. Here goes.

Ward, Hatton, Calzaghe, Haye , Chavez, Mayweather , Martinez , Golovkin , Collins, Eubank , Benn, Roy Jones , Canelo, Both Klits, Lennox Lewis , if you give me a couple of days, I'll come up with a thousand others as well. With the exception of Canelo and the Klits , I'm trying to keep it relevant to him and his "Legacy"

i disagree with a fair few of those, id go as far to say that to suggest some of them have a better record than froch is funny

Clearly you're going to disagree with them otherwise you wouldn't have posted the question. I could list them one by one with reasons if you like, but my question is exactly how high and where do you rate Froch ?

[Primo Carnera]

Cracking start but 2, 3 and 4? Seriously?

Uh actually yeah, seriously.

[Memphis]

Cracking start but 2, 3 and 4? Seriously?

Uh actually yeah, seriously.

Each to their own I suppose. Its not dificult to shoot down anyones record if you're obligated enough.

[erics44]

Clearly you're going to disagree with them otherwise you wouldn't have posted the question. I could list them one by one with reasons if you like, but my question is exactly how high and where do you rate Froch ?

how high and where do i rate froch in connection with what?

Canelo is a current fighter on your list whos record isnt as good as frochs

[Primo Carnera]

Clearly you're going to disagree with them otherwise you wouldn't have posted the question. I could list them one by one with reasons if you like, but my question is exactly how high and where do you rate Froch ?

how high and where do i rate froch in connection with what?

Canelo is a current fighter on your list whos record isnt as good as frochs

My reason for putting Canelo on the list is that he has won more fights than Froch and he's lost less. he was the undisputed champion of his division with the exception of the best fighter on the planet and arguably one of the best ever. I don't see how his record isn't better than Froch.
I'll put my question to you another way. out of the list I made, who DO YOU think Froch has a better record than?

[Memphis]

Canelo who 'won' his World title against never getting close to World class career welterwight Matthew Hatton? Then defended against failed at World level back when he was decent Ryan Rhodes? Then career welterweight but I'll fight bigger guys to get on a TV show Alfonso Gomez?

Trout was a good win if we're just going off of what the record books say but if we're doing that we dont need this thread, those same record books say Froch KO9 Groves.

[Primo Carnera]

Canelo who 'won' his World title against never getting close to World class career welterwight Matthew Hatton? Then defended against failed at World level back when he was decent Ryan Rhodes? Then career welterweight but I'll fight bigger guys to get on a TV show Alfonso Gomez?

Trout was a good win if we're just going off of what the record books say but if we're doing that we dont need this thread, those same record books say Froch KO9 Groves.

I don't dispute what you say about Canelo, but the question was who has got a better record than Froch? I asked about clarifying that but it was anyone anywhere. I could've picked hundreds of guys, but that's nothing against Froch. Or are we saying he's the greatest of all time!!!

[erics44]

Clearly you're going to disagree with them otherwise you wouldn't have posted the question. I could list them one by one with reasons if you like, but my question is exactly how high and where do you rate Froch ?

how high and where do i rate froch in connection with what?

Canelo is a current fighter on your list whos record isnt as good as frochs

My reason for putting Canelo on the list is that he has won more fights than Froch and he's lost less. he was the undisputed champion of his division with the exception of the best fighter on the planet and arguably one of the best ever. I don't see how his record isn't better than Froch.
I'll put my question to you another way. out of the list I made, who DO YOU think Froch has a better record than?

in terms of quality opponents canelos record is no where near as good as frochs

lb4lb froch is above canelo no doubt, he has beaten everyone whos anyone in his division barring one fighter who most place as the very best