One punch doesn't change shit!

[Master]

I think £50million was wiped off the fight with the losses incurred by Manny.

I also think Floyd must generate ppv sales and gets his big money from that otherwise he would hand pick Guerrero type opponents than Alvarez.

[Fenster]

Maidana has a loss against Khan, a man being rubbished as a Floyd opponent. Garcia has never fought at 147, and although currently a top-class elite fighter, is not P4P rated (you brought up that it's Floyd's obligation as P4P no.1 to face certain guys). Pac is still P4P rated.

None of these guys have Pacquiao's pedigree and none have current form that is far superior to his. Rios KO'd Alvarado, a man that started favourite against Provodnikov, a man that gave Bradley the beating of his life, a man that the majority of the world saw comprehensively beaten by Pac.

Pacquiao is clearly still the most significant opponent below 160 for Floyd.

Thank you for proving my point that boxing fans have no understanding of momentum.

Did Pacquiao get jobbed against Bradley? He sure did.

That's completely irrelevant. Boxing is a "what have you done lately" sport. Fighters come, fighters go. Fighters are on top of the world one day, they lose, and the next day they're halfway down the ladder the next day. It's a tough sport. Pedigree doesn't mean shit. What you were two or three years ago doesn't mean shit. All that matters is your CURRENT standing in the sport.

It doesn't matter that Maidana lost to Khan 3 years ago. It doesn't even matter so much that he lost to Devon Alexander a year or two ago. That's old news. Since then, he's moved up to WW and ran off 4 straight wins, and by beating Broner (regardless of what people think of Broner as a WW), he gain big momentum, heat, whatever you want to call it. It was a career performance.

When you get absolutely buried like Pac did against JMM, to the point where your biggest fans and your country are calling for you to retire, that's a SERIOUS blow to your career. You have to get the ball rolling again. You have to do more than beat a hand picked, undersized patsy coming off of a loss (please don't even try to defend Rios as an opponent).

Danny Garcia not p4p rated? Ring magainze should be ashamed of themselves.

You brought up P4P. If being P4P has any serious relevance, which it obviously doesn't in reality, then Pac is still regarded as one of the best fighters on the planet regardless of weight.

You've already conceded that money is the biggest factor in determining whether or not a fight gets made. Pac is clearly still the biggest boxing star outside of Floyd, as he just knocked up 500,000 PPV's, coming off a KO loss, against a supposedly "poor" opponent.

So basically all you're left with is - even though Pac is by far the biggest name possible for Floyd, he doesn't deserve the fight because he was beaten by Marquez.

So lets look at the current form (last three fights) of the guys who "deserve" a shot through "momentum."

Bradley - lost against Pac (in the majority of the world's eyes), beat Provodnikov (life and death) and Marquez.

Maidana - beat Angel Martinez, Josesito Lopez and Broner.

Garcia - beat Morales (ancient), Judah and Matthysse.

Pac - beat Bradley (in the majority of the world's eyes), lost against Marquez, beat Rios.

Whose current form is far superior to Pacquiao's? Provodnikov's best win is against a Rios victim. Maidana beat Broner, whose best win was against Malignaggi (at welter), who just beat Judah, who Garica fought just two fights ago. Incidentally Khan has wins over Judah, Malignaggi and Maidana but he's not worthy of fighting Floyd because he didn't look dynamite in his last couple of victories.

What have you done for me lately? Pac's current form holds up pretty well. He suffered a loss to an all-time great then came back with a dominating performance. He's still the second biggest star in boxing. He doesn't have to prove a bloody thing. Fact.

[Julius Rain]

Fenster schooling clowns again. Fact!

[Julius Rain]

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether or not Pac is physically/mentally the same guy he was 3 years ago. Absolutely nothing.

It used to amaze me that a lot of boxing fans don't understand the concept that rankings and momentum should determine fights.

But then I remembered that boxing fans have been fed fights that don't make sense for decades by greedy promoters (which is a large reason why boxing has taken a nose dive into the irrelevancy).

When you lose two fights in a row, including one where you get KTFO and faceplant like a corpse, it takes more than a tune-up fight against an undersized, hand-picked patsy to build yourself back up.

As the #1 p4p, Floyd should be made to fight only the highest ranking guys with the most momentum. At Floyd's weight, that includes guys like Timothy Bradley, Maidana, and Danny Garcia if he choses to move up. These are fights that MAKE SENSE.

A Pac fight doesn't make sense until Pac racks up another 1 or 2 big wins against elite competition. Same with Khan, he's been knocked out and has looked lackluster in his last few fights. Fights with Pac and Khan do not make sense.

STFU, you don't know boxing if you think Pac needs to rank up and wipe out the division for Floyd again before he can get at Floyd. Been done that while Floyd was crying about not being appreciated and retiring. This is boxing. The two biggest star are Pac and Floyd and you are missing the point. Pac hasn't lost to anybody he hasn't beaten. JMM was one punch and even JMM don't want anymore of Pac. Floyd don't want this fight for a good reason.

Name a fighter that is as popular and accomplished as Pac? NONE.

[imp]

Does it make any difference that bradley was injured and sprained his ankle? Or should that be overlooked..

Its unfair to overlook bradleys achievements over marquez and prov.
Bradley beat marquez.
Pac didnt.
If bradley boxed more and listened to trainer it would have been easy against prov.
He chose to fight and proved he can mix it up.

Pac should fight against floyd and it would make floyd the most money..i just think bradley deserves it alot more.

[Beanflicker]

STFU, you don't know boxing if you think Pac needs to rank up and wipe out the division for Floyd again before he can get at Floyd. Been done that while Floyd was crying about not being appreciated and retiring. This is boxing. The two biggest star are Pac and Floyd and you are missing the point. Pac hasn't lost to anybody he hasn't beaten. JMM was one punch and even JMM don't want anymore of Pac. Floyd don't want this fight for a good reason.

Name a fighter that is as popular and accomplished as Pac? NONE.

Listen stupid, if you want to talk to people on a forum, you're going to have to learn how to read.

[Beanflicker]

i just think bradley deserves it alot more.

For sure he deserves it. That should be the logical next fight. If people want to talk about fights that happened YEARS ago, that's on them, but all I know is RECENTLY Bradley outboxed the guy who knocked Pac out cold.

[Mr140]

I would love to see Bradley get the fight seen him do things most wouldn't ever think he do. He got a gift with Pac but its not like Pac didn't get gifts in his career majority of writers thought he lost his fights to Jmm but he still went on to big fights. Bradley was injured and gave pac a good fight got nod they should rematch, had a rough fight with Pov but pulled it off and then out boxed Jmm the guy who just beat Pac by one of the most brutal knock outs i have ever seen. I would love to see healthy a Bradley fight Pac i think Bradley would do better in rematch and i am sure he would give one as well.

[Julius Rain]

STFU, you don't know boxing if you think Pac needs to rank up and wipe out the division for Floyd again before he can get at Floyd. Been done that while Floyd was crying about not being appreciated and retiring. This is boxing. The two biggest star are Pac and Floyd and you are missing the point. Pac hasn't lost to anybody he hasn't beaten. JMM was one punch and even JMM don't want anymore of Pac. Floyd don't want this fight for a good reason.

Name a fighter that is as popular and accomplished as Pac? NONE.

Listen stupid, if you want to talk to people on a forum, you're going to have to learn how to read.

STFU, you trying to say pac needs to fight others first before Floyd? Really?? This is the biggest fight that should be made in this era! you dumbfuck! Stick your ranking up your ass, these two are elite and no other two should fight eachother.

[BoxingGorilla]

I think both answers are the same.

[Julius Rain]

Does it make any difference that bradley was injured and sprained his ankle? Or should that be overlooked..

Its unfair to overlook bradleys achievements over marquez and prov.
Bradley beat marquez.
Pac didnt.
If bradley boxed more and listened to trainer it would have been easy against prov.
He chose to fight and proved he can mix it up.

Pac should fight against floyd and it would make floyd the most money..i just think bradley deserves it alot more.

Bradley has proven a lot even in defeat to Pac. Its hard to say what would of happen if he wasn't injured or if he would of box against Ruslan. IMO thats immature to state something like it would happen exact. Maybe Bradley couldn't keep Ruslan off and knew he had to do damage too to discourage Ruslan. Maybe Bradley was injured because of how overwhelming speed demon pac can be?

What I like about Bradley is he doesn't have a solid style every fight. It seem like he fights the fight he needs to to win and IMO has work 99% of the time. Would love to see him against Floyd and I agree he deserves the floyd fight too but everybody deserve to see Pac vs Floyd more than any other two.

[Spicoli]

Honestly he looked a bit gun shy, vs a gimp Bradley and said he was content to carry a guy in Rios who looked like he was just going through the motions late. Physically I say he is aight, mentally..focus wise...eh

Oh, and Marquez found that shot earlier that fight too

You've never favored pac in anything so its expected for you to argue otherwise. Gun shy? Pacquiao? I think its better if he carrys dominated fighter instead of risking getting caught with a lucky punch again.

It was two different punch if you actually look at the two knockdowns by jmm I think the first one was a great adjusted loop by jmm that he had lots of success with in the past against Pac but clearly jmm carried more power that night. The k.o. punch was a short counter and pac was coming in instead of backing straight up like in the first knockdown. Get the big difference dumbfuck?

Dude..although I may not tightly ball up my Pacquiao bedsheets in the morning and spoon them to the point of genital chafing, I do appreciate him as a fighter...you 'lucky punch perfect punch' contradictory asshate. I very much enjoyed him beating up Mosley . Gun shy, preservation, carrying a dominated fighter and Floyding it, call it want ya want. Fact is with Bradley his flame was dull and after being left in a wet motionless heap chewing the canvas like it was lumpy oatmeal vs Marquez...any fighter would have it in the back of his mind next outing. Boxing is very much mostly a mental exercise. Oh and your right, it was two different punches from completely different angles that gave Pac problems and put him on the canvas...thanks for keeping me sharp

[Pavlik]

in all honesty that one punch meant a lot that will be heralded as the most brutal 1 punch knockout of all time. sadly the recipient is my idol Pac a good guy. well thats water under the bridge now and i believe if given the chance Pac will still be a dominant force vs any of the 147 pounders out there that including pbf.
*i also believe he is a tad gun shy now, just a smidge but still ok.

[cambay411]

That's true. Sustained beatings damage fighters but one punch knockouts dont have the same effect.

Pac is ok physically... if anything, he has wear and tear from all the wars he's been in combined with his age, but the marquez ko didnt affect him...

It might actually be a good thing. He will probably fight with more intelligence now..

Got to disagree with this. Getting KO'd is hard to come back from mentally and at Pacs age physicaly. Getting KO'd like that isnt going to make it easier for him to take punches. It helped his chin wear out even faster than it already was.

On top of that its not like it was just a KO punch. They went at it for 6 rounds then he got KO'd which will take it out of him even more.

With all this being said him and Floyd still need to fight.

[Violent Demise]

Mayweather-Pac should happen. But when one of them turns down a career high 40 million, I doubt he seriously wants the fight. No matter how much he claims he does. Actions speak louder than hollow words