Does anyone think George Zimmerman is guilty of murder?

[imp]

Im from the uk and i find this very disturbing. America is a huge place and these gun laws seem to differ from state to state.

Why is there so much variation in this gun culture in each state?

Something like this zimmerman case has never happened over here..how can a country love the gun so much.

Oh you find it "disturbing"

America IS a big place and gun laws DO vary from state to state and where you see the most strict gun laws is where you see the worst, most violent crimes...most often using guns.

It's NEVER happened in the UK?!?!? Dude in 2005 police IN ENGLAND shot a guy 8 times and he was just standing there being Brazilian in the middle of the day.

Americans love guns because Americans believe in liberty and individuality. The gun levels the playing field when it comes to crime, the idea that any private law abiding citizen could be packing heat really sinks into the mind of a criminal and they want nothing to do with robbing someone who could draw down on them.

The media play up gun violence to try and get Americans to give up their guns but I tell you you're safer WITH a gun than without one.

Thats the kind of mentality that we dont have..and dont want.

The police had guns that killed the brazillian.

Do you have a gun big boy?

[Master]

There is no point banning guns in the USA, it is intrinsic in their history, culture, attitudes, values and behaviour.

The Braziliian was shot because he had the wrong colour skin, they thought he was Muslim.

[El Kabong]

Im from the uk and i find this very disturbing. America is a huge place and these gun laws seem to differ from state to state.

Why is there so much variation in this gun culture in each state?

Something like this zimmerman case has never happened over here..how can a country love the gun so much.

Oh you find it "disturbing"

America IS a big place and gun laws DO vary from state to state and where you see the most strict gun laws is where you see the worst, most violent crimes...most often using guns.

It's NEVER happened in the UK?!?!? Dude in 2005 police IN ENGLAND shot a guy 8 times and he was just standing there being Brazilian in the middle of the day.

Americans love guns because Americans believe in liberty and individuality. The gun levels the playing field when it comes to crime, the idea that any private law abiding citizen could be packing heat really sinks into the mind of a criminal and they want nothing to do with robbing someone who could draw down on them.

The media play up gun violence to try and get Americans to give up their guns but I tell you you're safer WITH a gun than without one.

Thats the kind of mentality that we dont have..and dont want.

The police had guns that killed the brazillian.

Do you have a gun big boy?

You don't believe in liberty? Aaaaand there's the problem with England and the whole of Europe. You're scared of your own freedom

[TitoFan]

People shouldn't fret so much for Zimmerman. Both he and his ex-wife stand to become millionaires after getting books published, movies made, and apparently selling paintings.

[Beanflicker]

People shouldn't fret so much for Zimmerman. Both he and his ex-wife stand to become millionaires after getting books published, movies made, and apparently selling paintings.

I don't know if Zimmerman's side of the story is gonna be a big seller. People are wrapped up in this image of a racist white man stalking and gunning down a young black child in cold blood. That's what people want to believe. The truth of what happened isn't as sexy.

[TitoFan]

People shouldn't fret so much for Zimmerman. Both he and his ex-wife stand to become millionaires after getting books published, movies made, and apparently selling paintings.

I don't know if Zimmerman's side of the story is gonna be a big seller. People are wrapped up in this image of a racist white man stalking and gunning down a young black child in cold blood. That's what people want to believe. The truth of what happened isn't as sexy.

The press has certainly done this case a complete disservice. Personally, I don't think Zimmerman is either as "guilt-free" as some of you believe, nor do I buy into the sensationalism that includes posting pictures of Martin as a young innocent kid. The real truth involves fault on both sides, which is why I think Zimmerman deserves some type of punishment.

Regarding his story..... that's what publicists are for. Georgie will certainly get coaxed into selling a version of the story that will sell. And people will line up for blocks just to buy whatever there is out there regarding the story. Oh, I think Zimmerman will do just fine down the line.

[FinitoElDinamita]

Zimmerman is about that american dream. Gotta give him credit.

[Beanflicker]

The press has certainly done this case a complete disservice. Personally, I don't think Zimmerman is either as "guilt-free" as some of you believe, nor do I buy into the sensationalism that includes posting pictures of Martin as a young innocent kid. The real truth involves fault on both sides, which is why I think Zimmerman deserves some type of punishment.

Regarding his story..... that's what publicists are for. Georgie will certainly get coaxed into selling a version of the story that will sell. And people will line up for blocks just to buy whatever there is out there regarding the story. Oh, I think Zimmerman will do just fine down the line.

For sure, and I said from day one that I'm not standing up for Zimmerman as a guy. He sounds like a douchey, wanna-be cop busy-body. He's also said a lot of messed up shit (this was god's plan, ect). On a personal level, I don't like Zimmerman.

But the fact is, LEGALLY there was only one crime committed on that night, and the crime was committed by Treyvon. There's really nothing you can punish Zimmerman for legally. It's fine to say "well common sense says he shouldn't have followed", ect, but legally he did nothing wrong. You can follow anyone you want unless they have a restraining order against you.

I just don't see Zimmerman making good with this. Even with OJ Simpson, where OJ quite clearly was guilty of those two murders, he was such a beloved figure that he had tons of people on his side.

How do you sell Zimmerman to the public? Everyone hates him.

[El Kabong]

George Zimmerman is royally screwed. He's in a very tough spot partly because of his own actions but MAINLY due to an overzealous media.

If Zimmerman was wrong for following Trayvon then the media is even MORE wrong in how they initially covered the story. The way the media covered the story I was surprised that George wasn't strung up by the highest tree in all of Florida people were just that angry because of what the media had whipped up and ON PURPOSE! They edited 911 tapes for fucks sake!

I don't trust the media, they are slaves to their ratings and to their liberal ideals and believe you me every single news anchor on NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, and even a few on Fox News are liberal hacks. They don't report the news they create a Soap Opera storyline for the idiots that still pay attention to them to follow. They don't present facts they present a view of the world filled with their biases and agendas. And that's why there was outrage over what the 'Duck Dynasty' guy said and what Paula Deen said and 0 outrage over what Alec Baldwin and Al Sharpton have said.

[imp]

People shouldn't fret so much for Zimmerman. Both he and his ex-wife stand to become millionaires after getting books published, movies made, and apparently selling paintings.

I don't know if Zimmerman's side of the story is gonna be a big seller. People are wrapped up in this image of a racist white man stalking and gunning down a young black child in cold blood. That's what people want to believe. The truth of what happened isn't as sexy.

So true.

Wonder what the verdict would have been if roles were reversed?.

[Beanflicker]

So true.

Wonder what the verdict would have been if roles were reversed?.

Well we kinda did have a black George Zimmerman, named Roderick Scott.

40 year old Roderick Scott, a black man, confronted a 17 year old white kid who was breaking into cars on his neighbourhood. Roderick pulled out a gun and ordered the kid to freeze until the cops came. The kid apparently started coming towards Scott, so he opened fire, killing the kid.

Charges were completely dropped.

I doubt many people (if any) here have heard about this case. It doesn't make for such a compelling story when it's the other way around.

[El Kabong]

So true.

Wonder what the verdict would have been if roles were reversed?.

Well we kinda did have a black George Zimmerman, named Roderick Scott.

40 year old Roderick Scott, a black man, confronted a 17 year old white kid who was breaking into cars on his neighbourhood. Roderick pulled out a gun and ordered the kid to freeze until the cops came. The kid apparently started coming towards Scott, so he opened fire, killing the kid.

Charges were completely dropped.

I doubt many people (if any) here have heard about this case. It doesn't make for such a compelling story when it's the other way around.

Doesn't fit the media agenda

[Beanz]

So true.

Wonder what the verdict would have been if roles were reversed?.

Well we kinda did have a black George Zimmerman, named Roderick Scott.

40 year old Roderick Scott, a black man, confronted a 17 year old white kid who was breaking into cars on his neighbourhood. Roderick pulled out a gun and ordered the kid to freeze until the cops came. The kid apparently started coming towards Scott, so he opened fire, killing the kid.

Charges were completely dropped.

I doubt many people (if any) here have heard about this case. It doesn't make for such a compelling story when it's the other way around.

That would have been met with the same disbelief here in Europe and in the UK people would expect to see him charged with murder. Its not about race. The idea that only white people are capable of racism is also a ridiculous one, some latinos and asian bigots are often much more vociferously anti black than white people, so that is a red herring.

[Beanz]

People shouldn't fret so much for Zimmerman. Both he and his ex-wife stand to become millionaires after getting books published, movies made, and apparently selling paintings.

I don't know if Zimmerman's side of the story is gonna be a big seller. People are wrapped up in this image of a racist white man stalking and gunning down a young black child in cold blood. That's what people want to believe. The truth of what happened isn't as sexy.

Sexy?

[Beanz]

You can not compare the USA and the UK. The general population here have no desire to own firearms. We are not afraid of "freedom" and it is a fact that because of their general unavailability fewer criminals are armed. The US have a long history and different culture in which Gun ownership is deeply enshrined. This is partly why the Zimmerman/Martin case is seen very differently by both countries. It is not the case that all Brits want to oversimplify and misrepresent it as a race issue, it is seen as both a busybody/vigilante sticking his nose in and then using disproportionate force. Most are happy to leave law enforcement to the Police here and pulling out a gun in a fist fight/brawl is seen as bad form and cowardly even amongst scallys.