Jose Sulaiman has died

[Violent Demise]

Every major sport in America has a long history of no regulation and massive corruption in the early days of the sport -- baseball, American football and so on. Boxing is still unregulated. It would be more difficult to regulate than other sports but not impossible. It's managed to avoid any kind of major enforcement by government because boxing has dropped in popularity and isn't worth the effort by politicians so corrupt motherfuckers like the WBC can continue to function unimpeded.

And look at the muthafukkas running them sports and calling the shots now. They get paid. Like fat rats. Bud Selig, Baseballs Commissioner took home 25 million in 2013. Roger Goodell, Footballs Commissioner 29 million. David Stern the Basketball Commissioner 22 million. Hockeys commissioner Gary Bettman made 9 million. Even Golfs muthafukkin commissioner was able to take 6 million home. But the muthafukka in boxing have to do it for free, right?

Are you seriously trying to claim that professional boxing is run as well as the NFL? So this year there's going to be silver, diamond, interim, regula, super and emeritus Superbowl champions?

If you turn the NFL over the course of fifty years from semi-pro nickel and dime outfits into a ten billion a year business then you as a regulator can expect to be rewarded for that. There's no problem paying a chief executive a salary commensurate with the job. The NFL chief is taking home less than 0.3% of NFL revenue. You can make a case that CEO pay in general is far too high and I'd agree with you but they're being paid what their employers are prepared to pay.

But that's a publicly declared expense, it's not somebody gouging the market or racketeering. Now let's say over the same fifty year period you've presided over boxing being one of the biggest if not the biggest spport in America to being a niche sport that the general public are largely unaware of. One of your top regulators has been indicted and convicted on thirty teo counts of racketeering and taking bribes (IBF). All other regulators are shielded from similar indictments by having their headquarters offshore but it looks to everyone that they're exactly the same kind of racketeering outfits as the IBF is. How much should the head regulators of professional boxing be paid?

Maybe the boxing sanctioning bodies need total reform, not to mention lots more prison sentences handed out before we start deciding whether any of these guys should ever be able to earn a living from boxing again, never mind setting their salary levels.

You know why that shit happened? Cuz muthafukkas are expected to run shit for free. Which is impossible to do. The fact that you think these organizations should travel the world ranking fighters, hosting events and everything else and pay for it out of there own pockets is insane. Nobody does shit for free. Nobody should have to do shit for free. You can't feed your family off "it's the right thing to do". Fuck that. Give me cash. If not I'm gonna find a way to get some

[Fenster]

The promoter of an event pays the judges/officials and all their expenses, not the alphabet. Nodody travels the world to rank fighters, they just answer the phone, from wherever they're sat in the world, and negotiate how much it will cost to push a fighter up/into their rankings.

It's not about them "doing it for free," it's about them pulling off an unbelievable scam, which basically means money for nothing. I find it quite impressive.

[Lineal]

Some fighters are starting to shun the sanctioning bodies. Ward dropped his emeritus status

[Kirkland Laing]

Every major sport in America has a long history of no regulation and massive corruption in the early days of the sport -- baseball, American football and so on. Boxing is still unregulated. It would be more difficult to regulate than other sports but not impossible. It's managed to avoid any kind of major enforcement by government because boxing has dropped in popularity and isn't worth the effort by politicians so corrupt motherfuckers like the WBC can continue to function unimpeded.

And look at the muthafukkas running them sports and calling the shots now. They get paid. Like fat rats. Bud Selig, Baseballs Commissioner took home 25 million in 2013. Roger Goodell, Footballs Commissioner 29 million. David Stern the Basketball Commissioner 22 million. Hockeys commissioner Gary Bettman made 9 million. Even Golfs muthafukkin commissioner was able to take 6 million home. But the muthafukka in boxing have to do it for free, right?

Are you seriously trying to claim that professional boxing is run as well as the NFL? So this year there's going to be silver, diamond, interim, regula, super and emeritus Superbowl champions?

If you turn the NFL over the course of fifty years from semi-pro nickel and dime outfits into a ten billion a year business then you as a regulator can expect to be rewarded for that. There's no problem paying a chief executive a salary commensurate with the job. The NFL chief is taking home less than 0.3% of NFL revenue. You can make a case that CEO pay in general is far too high and I'd agree with you but they're being paid what their employers are prepared to pay.

But that's a publicly declared expense, it's not somebody gouging the market or racketeering. Now let's say over the same fifty year period you've presided over boxing being one of the biggest if not the biggest spport in America to being a niche sport that the general public are largely unaware of. One of your top regulators has been indicted and convicted on thirty teo counts of racketeering and taking bribes (IBF). All other regulators are shielded from similar indictments by having their headquarters offshore but it looks to everyone that they're exactly the same kind of racketeering outfits as the IBF is. How much should the head regulators of professional boxing be paid?

Maybe the boxing sanctioning bodies need total reform, not to mention lots more prison sentences handed out before we start deciding whether any of these guys should ever be able to earn a living from boxing again, never mind setting their salary levels.

You know why that shit happened? Cuz muthafukkas are expected to run shit for free. Which is impossible to do. The fact that you think these organizations should travel the world ranking fighters, hosting events and everything else and pay for it out of there own pockets is insane. Nobody does shit for free. Nobody should have to do shit for free. You can't feed your family off "it's the right thing to do". Fuck that. Give me cash. If not I'm gonna find a way to get some

Nobody is asking anybody to do anything without being paid. In a model nonprofit organisation every single employee would be paid a fair salary for the job they're doing. What they would not be allowed to do is run a belt protection racket which is what we have now.

And they don't travel the world ranking fighters. When the IBF got hit with all the indictments they made a documentary and they interviewed the guy who was in charge of the rankings. His office was his front room which had a TV, a video and a plastic mountain of VHS tapes. He had a civil suit against the IBF himself because he hadn't been paid and had basically been used as a bagman to pick up the bribes from promoters. The funniest part of the film was him going from saying yeah rating fighters is an art, you have to really know what you're looking at to talking about how he'd taken a hundred thousand from Arum to put somebody in the top ten.

And when they "host events" they're all events to make money or get publicity giving a few dollars to some charity/fighter. They have a big convention every year, normally somewhere like Thailand where they rent an out of season hotel for a week and all the promoters pay a few thousand to fly out for a week of hookers and blow. And a few business deals. But mainly it's a jolly and the sanctioning bodies make money out of these events that they host.

[Kirkland Laing]

I just googled the documentary and I found this

Former Ratings Chairman Sues IBF, Claims Corruption - Boxing News


This is not the same guy as was in the documentary which I can't find.

[Violent Demise]

Every major sport in America has a long history of no regulation and massive corruption in the early days of the sport -- baseball, American football and so on. Boxing is still unregulated. It would be more difficult to regulate than other sports but not impossible. It's managed to avoid any kind of major enforcement by government because boxing has dropped in popularity and isn't worth the effort by politicians so corrupt motherfuckers like the WBC can continue to function unimpeded.

And look at the muthafukkas running them sports and calling the shots now. They get paid. Like fat rats. Bud Selig, Baseballs Commissioner took home 25 million in 2013. Roger Goodell, Footballs Commissioner 29 million. David Stern the Basketball Commissioner 22 million. Hockeys commissioner Gary Bettman made 9 million. Even Golfs muthafukkin commissioner was able to take 6 million home. But the muthafukka in boxing have to do it for free, right?

Are you seriously trying to claim that professional boxing is run as well as the NFL? So this year there's going to be silver, diamond, interim, regula, super and emeritus Superbowl champions?

If you turn the NFL over the course of fifty years from semi-pro nickel and dime outfits into a ten billion a year business then you as a regulator can expect to be rewarded for that. There's no problem paying a chief executive a salary commensurate with the job. The NFL chief is taking home less than 0.3% of NFL revenue. You can make a case that CEO pay in general is far too high and I'd agree with you but they're being paid what their employers are prepared to pay.

But that's a publicly declared expense, it's not somebody gouging the market or racketeering. Now let's say over the same fifty year period you've presided over boxing being one of the biggest if not the biggest spport in America to being a niche sport that the general public are largely unaware of. One of your top regulators has been indicted and convicted on thirty teo counts of racketeering and taking bribes (IBF). All other regulators are shielded from similar indictments by having their headquarters offshore but it looks to everyone that they're exactly the same kind of racketeering outfits as the IBF is. How much should the head regulators of professional boxing be paid?

Maybe the boxing sanctioning bodies need total reform, not to mention lots more prison sentences handed out before we start deciding whether any of these guys should ever be able to earn a living from boxing again, never mind setting their salary levels.

You know why that shit happened? Cuz muthafukkas are expected to run shit for free. Which is impossible to do. The fact that you think these organizations should travel the world ranking fighters, hosting events and everything else and pay for it out of there own pockets is insane. Nobody does shit for free. Nobody should have to do shit for free. You can't feed your family off "it's the right thing to do". Fuck that. Give me cash. If not I'm gonna find a way to get some

Nobody is asking anybody to do anything without being paid. In a model nonprofit organisation every single employee would be paid a fair salary for the job they're doing. What they would not be allowed to do is run a belt protection racket which is what we have now.

And they don't travel the world ranking fighters. When the IBF got hit with all the indictments they made a documentary and they interviewed the guy who was in charge of the rankings. His office was his front room which had a TV, a video and a plastic mountain of VHS tapes. He had a civil suit against the IBF himself because he hadn't been paid and had basically been used as a bagman to pick up the bribes from promoters. The funniest part of the film was him going from saying yeah rating fighters is an art, you have to really know what you're looking at to talking about how he'd taken a hundred thousand from Arum to put somebody in the top ten.

And when they "host events" they're all events to make money or get publicity giving a few dollars to some charity/fighter. They have a big convention every year, normally somewhere like Thailand where they rent an out of season hotel for a week and all the promoters pay a few thousand to fly out for a week of hookers and blow. And a few business deals. But mainly it's a jolly and the sanctioning bodies make money out of these events that they host.

Sounds good. But who would be doing the paying? No one. Nobody would want to pay them. Not the promoters. Not the managers. And not the fighters. So while I don't agree with the organizations actions. I do understand them

[Kirkland Laing]

Every major sport in America has a long history of no regulation and massive corruption in the early days of the sport -- baseball, American football and so on. Boxing is still unregulated. It would be more difficult to regulate than other sports but not impossible. It's managed to avoid any kind of major enforcement by government because boxing has dropped in popularity and isn't worth the effort by politicians so corrupt motherfuckers like the WBC can continue to function unimpeded.

And look at the muthafukkas running them sports and calling the shots now. They get paid. Like fat rats. Bud Selig, Baseballs Commissioner took home 25 million in 2013. Roger Goodell, Footballs Commissioner 29 million. David Stern the Basketball Commissioner 22 million. Hockeys commissioner Gary Bettman made 9 million. Even Golfs muthafukkin commissioner was able to take 6 million home. But the muthafukka in boxing have to do it for free, right?

Are you seriously trying to claim that professional boxing is run as well as the NFL? So this year there's going to be silver, diamond, interim, regula, super and emeritus Superbowl champions?

If you turn the NFL over the course of fifty years from semi-pro nickel and dime outfits into a ten billion a year business then you as a regulator can expect to be rewarded for that. There's no problem paying a chief executive a salary commensurate with the job. The NFL chief is taking home less than 0.3% of NFL revenue. You can make a case that CEO pay in general is far too high and I'd agree with you but they're being paid what their employers are prepared to pay.

But that's a publicly declared expense, it's not somebody gouging the market or racketeering. Now let's say over the same fifty year period you've presided over boxing being one of the biggest if not the biggest spport in America to being a niche sport that the general public are largely unaware of. One of your top regulators has been indicted and convicted on thirty teo counts of racketeering and taking bribes (IBF). All other regulators are shielded from similar indictments by having their headquarters offshore but it looks to everyone that they're exactly the same kind of racketeering outfits as the IBF is. How much should the head regulators of professional boxing be paid?

Maybe the boxing sanctioning bodies need total reform, not to mention lots more prison sentences handed out before we start deciding whether any of these guys should ever be able to earn a living from boxing again, never mind setting their salary levels.

You know why that shit happened? Cuz muthafukkas are expected to run shit for free. Which is impossible to do. The fact that you think these organizations should travel the world ranking fighters, hosting events and everything else and pay for it out of there own pockets is insane. Nobody does shit for free. Nobody should have to do shit for free. You can't feed your family off "it's the right thing to do". Fuck that. Give me cash. If not I'm gonna find a way to get some

Nobody is asking anybody to do anything without being paid. In a model nonprofit organisation every single employee would be paid a fair salary for the job they're doing. What they would not be allowed to do is run a belt protection racket which is what we have now.

And they don't travel the world ranking fighters. When the IBF got hit with all the indictments they made a documentary and they interviewed the guy who was in charge of the rankings. His office was his front room which had a TV, a video and a plastic mountain of VHS tapes. He had a civil suit against the IBF himself because he hadn't been paid and had basically been used as a bagman to pick up the bribes from promoters. The funniest part of the film was him going from saying yeah rating fighters is an art, you have to really know what you're looking at to talking about how he'd taken a hundred thousand from Arum to put somebody in the top ten.

And when they "host events" they're all events to make money or get publicity giving a few dollars to some charity/fighter. They have a big convention every year, normally somewhere like Thailand where they rent an out of season hotel for a week and all the promoters pay a few thousand to fly out for a week of hookers and blow. And a few business deals. But mainly it's a jolly and the sanctioning bodies make money out of these events that they host.

Sounds good. But who would be doing the paying? No one. Nobody would want to pay them. Not the promoters. Not the managers. And not the fighters. So while I don't agree with the organizations actions. I do understand them

Nobody would want to pay to fight for an actual legitimate world title?

Here's what should happen. Make running, being an employee or doing business with a sanctioning body that isn't the new non-profit a crime punishable by thirty years in a federal penitentiary where the sanctioning guys would get to meet and interact with nice people, then after they've served the thirty years they get executed.

Then the new sanctioning body starts the process of cleaning up boxing. You could pick half a dozen guys off this forum and sit them in a room and you'd have the bare bones of a new set of regulations by lunchtime provided you locked them in to keep them away from alcohol.

Actually fuck it, they could all go for a meal and probably have it worked out by the time they'd finished their starters. Probably go with the same number of weight classes instead of going back to the original eight. Rank the top eight or sixteen guys and put them in a hat and have the top eight/sixteen fight themselves through to a winner. A simultaneous tournament in every weight class with a single champion at the end of it would create massive publicity/interest in boxing.

Either seed the top four/eight and draw the rest of the guys against them or throw all the names in a hat and just leave it to chance. Then you end up with a champion and a top eight and you go from there.

Or something similar. But not difficult to do. You work out how much is fair to take from a fight and you show audited accounts for every penny in and every penny out of the organisation. Full transparency. Public board meetings shown on the internet so there's no possibility of corruption.

You're still never going to make enough to give every boxer a pension or cover their healthcare but you do what you can with the funds available.

Something like that, no?