GGG might fight Andy Lee in April.. is he the new Erdei?

[erics44]

Andre Ward/Gennady Golovkin: Be Fair

this suggest GGG is avoiding ward

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Andre Ward/Gennady Golovkin: Be Fair

this suggest GGG is avoiding ward

Would look like Hopkins v Pavlik and Dirrell v Abraham (up until the late punch).

[Rantcatrat]

Andre Ward/Gennady Golovkin: Be Fair

this suggest GGG is avoiding ward

Would look like Hopkins v Pavlik and Dirrell v Abraham (up until the late punch).

The big difference with asking Ward to move up and asking GGG to move is that Ward has already cleaned out the super middleweight division and GGG hasn't done the same with the middleweight division.

With regard to Sturm, Sturm ducked GGG already. He won't face him anytime soon unless he is forced. He avoided him for two years. Just think of this way, GGG is the boogeyman of the division. It's clear. Yet, Sturm has targeted Geale, Barker and now Murray. He wants no piece of GGG. I'll agree that Sturm is a better fight than Lee. Lee doesn't have a chin. GGG will stop him quickly. I want Quillin to leave Golden Boy and make the fight. A win for either guy sets him up as a big name.

[Ron Swanson]

The big difference with asking Ward to move up and asking GGG to move is that Ward has already cleaned out the super middleweight division and GGG hasn't done the same with the middleweight.[/QUOTE]


I'd say the big differences are

1)That Ward has taken on top guys thus earning the right to do what he wants
2)Ward is not moving up because he wants to make a huge fight. GGG is not moving up because he doesn't want to make a huge fight.

It blows my mind how boxing fans are significantly harder on the guys that have made big fights than they are on the guys that haven't. It's bass ackwards.

[Spicoli]

The big difference with asking Ward to move up and asking GGG to move is that Ward has already cleaned out the super middleweight division and GGG hasn't done the same with the middleweight.

I'd say the big differences are

1)That Ward has taken on top guys thus earning the right to do what he wants
2)Ward is not moving up because he wants to make a huge fight. GGG is not moving up because he doesn't want to make a huge fight.

It blows my mind how boxing fans are significantly harder on the guys that have made big fights than they are on the guys that haven't. It's bass ackwards.[/QUOTE]I think a lot of it is a basic as bias to styles for some. Ward has done nothing but taken names and punched tickets, he has done his time. The who you beat should still be on level with how you beat them.

** I totally screwed that reply placement up..

[Silkeyjoe]

The big difference with asking Ward to move up and asking GGG to move is that Ward has already cleaned out the super middleweight division and GGG hasn't done the same with the middleweight.

I'd say the big differences are

1)That Ward has taken on top guys thus earning the right to do what he wants
2)Ward is not moving up because he wants to make a huge fight. GGG is not moving up because he doesn't want to make a huge fight.

It blows my mind how boxing fans are significantly harder on the guys that have made big fights than they are on the guys that haven't. It's bass ackwards.

I think a lot of it is a basic as bias to styles for some. Ward has done nothing but taken names and punched tickets, he has done his time. The who you beat should still be on level with how you beat them.

** I totally screwed that reply placement up..[/QUOTE]

The main reason I dont think its fair to ask GGG to move up because hes a relatively small middleweight. I have no doubt he could make light middle. Hes 5'10 and not of particular big frame moving up to a weight where most are 6 foot or more. Ward on the other hand fought at light heavy as an amateur and would not be giving up a big size advantage moving up. If Ward-GGG was to happen it should be at a catchweight but there is 0 chance Ward would accept that.

[Rantcatrat]

The big difference with asking Ward to move up and asking GGG to move is that Ward has already cleaned out the super middleweight division and GGG hasn't done the same with the middleweight.

I'd say the big differences are

1)That Ward has taken on top guys thus earning the right to do what he wants
2)Ward is not moving up because he wants to make a huge fight. GGG is not moving up because he doesn't want to make a huge fight.

It blows my mind how boxing fans are significantly harder on the guys that have made big fights than they are on the guys that haven't. It's bass ackwards.[/QUOTE]

You're twisting my words. Ward has big fights with Kovalev/Stevenson/Hopkins/Pascal at light heavyweight. All are bigger fights than Rodriguez or the Pavlik fight he was chasing before it. They are also arguably bigger fights than GGG.

The main difference in our opinion of GGG is that I haven't seen GGG duck any fight at 160. To me, I don't blame someone for not moving up in weight if they can still make weight legally and safely and there are still opponents for them to fight there.

I feel the same way about Ward frankly, but I also think Ward is out of options at 168 and he should thus consider moving up. Would I blame him for not moving up though? No. I just don't think he can demand 7 figure purses for fighting the Rodriguez's of the world (not that there is anything wrong with Rodriguez).

GGG has options at 160. He hasn't cleaned out the division, unlike Ward. I want to see him do that first. He's genuinely attempting it at least. He fought four times last year and is on pace for the same thing this year.

[Rantcatrat]

Has GGG avoided anyone at 160?

[Rantcatrat]

Andre Ward/Gennady Golovkin: Be Fair

this suggest GGG is avoiding ward

Would look like Hopkins v Pavlik and Dirrell v Abraham (up until the late punch).

I know it's not the same thing but in case you didn't know GGG beat Bute and Dirrell in the amateurs.