America and pet laws..

[El Kabong]

You dont see the laws being a teeny weeny bit lax when you can own a lion or hyena?

imp, it's that kind of thought process which leads to people banning salt, large sodas, and trans fats. The idea that "people are too stupid to handle freedom and liberty" (which is always implied even in this case) is dangerously idiotic. Would I WANT to live where people own lions and tigers that could potentially break out and harm myself, my family, my dog....no....but again there are laws in the US about what type of dog breeds you can have, insurance companies WILL NOT sell you homeowners insurance if you have a certain kind of dog. And hell most people who live to become adults aren't able to house or pay for exotic pets like Lions and Hyenas...however if they ARE able to and they are responsible with said pets what business is it of mine if they want to own those animals?


I believe the English are in dire need of a lesson on LIBERTY. If it doesn't affect you, your happiness, your pursuit of a better life for yourself, the safety of your family (which in this case, could be debated but only in terms of safety for the animal and security for those living nearby rather than an outright ban) then you should just let it go. Let people do what makes them happy so long as it doesn't detract from your natural rights....what is so difficult about that?

[Beanflicker]

There needs to be some kind of regulation for these dangerous exotic pets, whereby you'd have to achieve some kind of certificate or qualification to own certain animals. The average joe shouldn't own a goddamn monkey or lion, that's insanity. I read Tyson's book where he was talking about owning his tigers and how dangerous they were. A tiger belongs in the wild, not in some rich, drug addicted asshole's mansion. Same with a monkey: these are wild, undomesticated animals. One thing we forget is pathetic the human body is physically compared to other similar-sized animals. A 100lb chimpanzee will rip your arm out of the socket and beat you with it. Physically we can't compete with these animals. I feel bad for a lot of these exotic animals, especially reptiles, that spend their decades of existence in a fucking heated tank so their owners can have a conversation piece. Buy a dog or a cat, you assholes.

I say this because I know first hand that most people aren't qualified to own a dog, let alone some exotic, undomesticated animal. I have a Rottweiler and from day one I spent so much time and energy socializing him with people and other dogs and animals so he would have a nice, friendly temperament. Which he does, but even still he is always weary and suspicious of strangers until they introduce themselves. If I just left him in the yard all day like a lot of meat heads do, he would be a real goddamn liability.

[El Kabong]

Yes I understand and support that Beanflicker, my point is that lots of people aren't qualified to raise kids but there aren't laws against them having kids. There are regulations they have to abide by to KEEP their kids though and that's my point.

Legion, a guy who used to post here (haven't seen him in a while) owned like every kind of deadly snake you could imagine. He had a few cobras if I recall correctly.

[Beanflicker]

The kid issue is a tough one because, while obviously there are a ton of people having kids who just shouldn't be having kids and consequently raising them to be threats/burdens to society, that infringes more on personal freedom because who the fuck is anyone to say you can't take an unprotected deep-dicking and get knocked up. It's your body, whatever. All the government can do is, through social services, try to ensure that the kid is not being abused or neglected.

I don't think anybody is having their personal freedom trampled on by being denied the right to own an exotic animal that belongs in an African jungle.

[Beanflicker]

We also have to consider the well being of the animal as well.

[El Kabong]

We also have to consider the well being of the animal as well.

yes of course

[imp]

Its everyones business if they OWN these animals because no human on earth can know the potential of their animal and what it intends to do next.

Simple Scenerio - man has the right to own a few tigers and bears but one of them gets loose and goes on a rampage.

Uk scenerio - man has the right to own a dog but gets loose and goes on a rampage.

Its pretty obvious which pet has the potential to cause many deaths compared to a few maulings.

Both are wrong but im just trying to understand if its just a few states that are allowed to own exotic pets or if its the whole country.

[imp]

Come on, el kabong!

Lets not go there!

Ive met loads of dog owners with staffies and pit bull type dogs but it does not stop with the owner.

No owner on earth can control a dog 24/7!

Its fine having free will and freedom blah blah blah but in this discussion and in your country would YOU have any issue with new neighbours moving next to you with a tiger or grizzly??

Do you have kids?

[El Kabong]

Alright let's say for argument's sake you're right. There's a breed of dog that needs extinction because it's violent and always in trouble....now let's look at crime rates shall we? We'll notice that violent crimes are MAINLY committed by certain "breeds" of people, I mean obviously they aren't at fault, they were BRED to be that way. But we must, for the safety of the many, do away with these dangerous breeds of people. Do you see where that is leading? See the road that goes down?

There are GREAT dogs who just happen to be a breed that is considered (rightly or wrongly) dangerous. While I don't put 100% of the blame/responsibility of what that dog does or does not do on the owner a good 90% (at least) is on the owner. Some dogs, like some humans, are unable to function in a safe, reasonable, manageable way and for those I understand they either have to be sent away or put down but to just wipe out entire breeds is irresponsible and unnecessary. Because first it'll start with the pure breds, then it'll be half breeds, then mixes, and then what you take the next worst breeds and kill them off? Also yes some dogs NEED to be mean! Some dogs guard important things and that is their fucking job.

My neighbor wouldn't have a grizzly or a tiger because I live in a condo. But to address your point, that wouldn't happen unless I'm in the middle of the country where there are no Homeowners' Associations, City Ordinances, and so on....and if that was the case sure I'd be fine with it so long as I knew the owner and was cool with how the animal was kept and handled. Is that an irresponsible stance?

I don't have children of my own, I do have a dog and I have some young nieces. I care about my dog, I care about my nieces and yeah if any of the lot of them did something fucked up while under my care I would be held legally responsible for their actions and I understand and am ok with that because personal responsibility is important to the way I want to live.

I will state this, my dog has bitten and snapped at a fair amount of people (maybe 4 over the course of my dog's 10 years) and that is on me even though 100% of the people bitten or snapped at approached my dog in a manner that would incite a defensive snap. It is my job as owner to warn or make known the tendencies of my dog to my guests and company and even in doing so I stand responsible for the result of any injuries or damage sustained from individuals who came into contact with my dog in an improper manner.

[imp]

If banning (not killing) every dangerous dog elimates any human death im 100% behind it.

Exotic animals belong in the wild and a certain amount in the zoo.

Im a human. And a human life is worth more to any type of animal no matter how nice or loyal that particular type of pet someone thinks it is as it relies on its owner for everything anyway, thats why their loyal.

I have nothing against dogs, or any type of exotic animal. I just do not believe that any type of typical average human being should own an animal such as the ones mentioned.

Im sure you wouldnt leave your 10 year old dog (if it was one of the known breeds) alone with you nieces as no matter how well you think you know your dog, any attack small or big could leave lifetime scarring or even worse.

In regards to the breed of humans that kill and are evil, they are put in jails or in some cases put to sleep (in your country).

I just think that owning an exotic animal or trying to be best friends with it has proven in many cases to end up being fatal..especially with Bears!!

[VictorCharlie]

I wouldn't want to own a tiger etc but I also don't think it is any of my business and frankly dumb people owning dangerous animals culls the herd a bit.

[Beanflicker]

I wouldn't want to own a tiger etc but I also don't think it is any of my business and frankly dumb people owning dangerous animals culls the herd a bit.

I think it would be your business if you lived anywhere near it, because there's always a threat of the animal escaping and fucking shit up.

And when the animal does eventually end up fucking someone up, it's not just the owner that suffers - this magestic animal that belongs in a fucking jungle anyway gets killed.

[Spicoli]

If you own land, you can own exotics etc. Basically if you live in suburbia or city the chances are you have your hands full "owning" children or a poodle...tigers, bears and snakes that will swallow your poodle need not apply. The breed of a dog can be a smoke screen for some owners as all can do damage in the same enviroment left mismanaged and or untrained. The absolute worst I've been attacked in 23 yrs has been from all things a Husky. It is state to state as to what regulations are with regards to "wild or exotic" breeds-animals...some are grandfathered in rare cases, some require permits etc but personally...no small private dwelling or those in the proximity there of should house a fucking Tiger ffs. To Hell with OUR rights...they deserve better.

[El Kabong]

I wouldn't want to own a tiger etc but I also don't think it is any of my business and frankly dumb people owning dangerous animals culls the herd a bit.

I think it would be your business if you lived anywhere near it, because there's always a threat of the animal escaping and fucking shit up.

And when the animal does eventually end up fucking someone up, it's not just the owner that suffers - this magestic animal that belongs in a fucking jungle anyway gets killed.

Actually the owner IS held responsible.... granted they aren't put down.


Want to see crazy there's a documentary on "The Cat Dancers" who were the cheap Siegfried and Roy. The movie offers insight into how shady it is to buy a fucking tiger. Plus those fucking Cat Dancers wereRREALLY odd.

[Gandalf]

You Americans and your freedoms: 'It's my home and it's my right to have a nuclear bomb in my bathroom. If it goes off, them's just the breaks'. Nutters.