HBO's packaging of Andre Ward is DISGRACEFUL!!!

[Fenster]

Don't feel too sorry for him. HBO gave him $1.9 million for fighting Rodriguez. The viewing figures didn't even make the top 10 most watched fights at the end of the year. That's some seriously good wedge for a guy with no fans.

[Ant Live]

Don't feel too sorry for him. HBO gave him $1.9 million for fighting Rodriguez. The viewing figures didn't even make the top 10 most watched fights at the end of the year. That's some seriously good wedge for a guy with no fans.

I'll take 2 million a fight without complaining if need be for the rest of my career, until the 10 million fight come around. But who would be his opponent? Even if he moves up or down in weight, he still probably won't get that.
1. GGG
2. Stevenson
3. B-HOP
4. Kovalev

Even if floyd took him up on his offer an meet him at 160, Ward would probably only get somewhere upwards 8 to 10. Saying that, keep winning and make 2 per fight. Better then losing and making 500K

[Rantcatrat]

Don't feel too sorry for him. HBO gave him $1.9 million for fighting Rodriguez. The viewing figures didn't even make the top 10 most watched fights at the end of the year. That's some seriously good wedge for a guy with no fans.

I'll take 2 million a fight without complaining if need be for the rest of my career, until the 10 million fight come around. But who would be his opponent? Even if he moves up or down in weight, he still probably won't get that.
1. GGG
2. Stevenson
3. B-HOP
4. Kovalev

Even if floyd took him up on his offer an meet him at 160, Ward would probably only get somewhere upwards 8 to 10. Saying that, keep winning and make 2 per fight. Better then losing and making 500K

If he got paid $2MM to face Rodriguez, I bet he makes more against the light heavyweights.

[Kirkland Laing]

Ward just isn't interesting enough inside or outside the ring to be built up into a PPV star. Couple this with the fact that there's nobody at 168 who is PPVable (apart from Chavez Junior who doesn't want to fight him) and Ward doesn't want to move up and fight Kovalev or Stevenson. Things may change if Chavez beats Vera and Bika and has a title however expecting Chavez to hold it together for that period of time and then agreeing a split with Ward is a tall order.

Stevenson and Kovalev might have a barnburner and create another potential PPV opportunity for Ward. But then if Stevenson wins he probably won't want to leave Canada to fight Ward so that fight might not get made. If Kovalev wins is he going to be a big enough name to sell a PPV?

Ward is after big paydays but the big paydays out there would come against guys like Chavez or Stevenson who would be beltholders and easily the biggest part of the draw. Ward would have to take the short end of the purse and he's convinced he's a superstar just nobody noticed yet.

[Rantcatrat]

Here's the thing. GGG has stated that he intends on remaining at 160 for now. If he stays at 160 for the remainder of the year, he will not face Ward. There aren't any viable opponents for Ward at 168. So, really, Ward has no option but to move up.

[Vendettos]

FINAL POST

Say what you want, boxing or fighting, avoiding or holding, etc... No matter what it is, it's boring.

Bottom line, if he was more exciting and people wanted to watch him, they'd push him out there faster than a 2lb baby from a 10lb vagina!

But they won't push him because he is a boring fighter to watch.

Thanks for coming, you can all leave the thread now.

[Beanflicker]

FINAL POST

Say what you want, boxing or fighting, avoiding or holding, etc... No matter what it is, it's boring.

Bottom line, if he was more exciting and people wanted to watch him, they'd push him out there faster than a 2lb baby from a 10lb vagina!

But they won't push him because he is a boring fighter to watch.

Thanks for coming, you can all leave the thread now.

Why would a thread be wrapped up with such a weak, intellectually-devoid statement?

The fact that Floyd Mayweather is the #1 draw in boxing completely destroys your logic.

There are TONS of fighters who are more exciting than Floyd. His style generally fits into what you described as boring fighting. Add also the fact that he isn't a big puncher and rarely KO's anyone.

Floyd got himself out there into the public consciousness and became a household name. People know who Floyd is, and they are emotionally invested in him (whether it's to see him win or get KTFO). That's the big thing: emotional investment. When your favorite football/hockey/soccer/basketball/ect team is playing, you don't care if it's not the most exciting game. You care about the competition and cheering on your team, because you're emotionally invested.

[Rantcatrat]

Don't feel too sorry for him. HBO gave him $1.9 million for fighting Rodriguez. The viewing figures didn't even make the top 10 most watched fights at the end of the year. That's some seriously good wedge for a guy with no fans.

I agree. It's Berto money.

I'd like to see him step up to Stevenson, Kovalev, Hopkins or Pascal, while he waits for GGG to leave 160. Dismantling that string of guys would do a lot for his marketability.

[FinitoElDinamita]

If I was a promoter, I wouldnt let ward anywhere near my office..

He's very boring and has no personality either.. this is business and he is not marketable..

[bradlee180]

Sports are entertainment that the people pay their hard-earned money for, so maybe ward should try focusing on being more entertaining and exciting in his sporting events instead of focusing solely on winning in the shittiest, dirtiest, borefests in world-class Boxing today. The only guy that managed to become a Draw despite wall-to-wall borefests is mayweather, and that's only because he started getting arrested for woman-beating and he started spewing loads and loads of pure bull$#!t that the press ate up.

[powerpuncher]

ward is the one person that i cannot understand the hate against. he is a class act, an awesome fighter, and has fought the best. personally, i love watching him fight. the rodriguez fight was great. if you didnt like that fight then i question your motives. i would assume that you choose to dislike ward fights. he isnt like rigo to where he just stays on the outside and jabs and the opponent does nothing. ward lands shots and throws power shots. he is a master boxer. he is potentially better than mayweather but mayweather is still #1 p4p because of legacy and he still hasnt lost or come close to it. ward hasnt had a close fight against any top fighter he has faced yet people still want to complain about him.

[ykdadamaja]

ward is the one person that i cannot understand the hate against. he is a class act, an awesome fighter, and has fought the best. personally, i love watching him fight. the rodriguez fight was great. if you didnt like that fight then i question your motives. i would assume that you choose to dislike ward fights. he isnt like rigo to where he just stays on the outside and jabs and the opponent does nothing. ward lands shots and throws power shots. he is a master boxer. he is potentially better than mayweather but mayweather is still #1 p4p because of legacy and he still hasnt lost or come close to it. ward hasnt had a close fight against any top fighter he has faced yet people still want to complain about him.

He is one of the best to ever grace the sport, even at this stage. What has to happen is that he needs better promotions to make himself more attractive. Sure, he isn't exciting- i.e., doesn't get hit a lot, doesn't throw 5 punch combo's every 10 seconds and also doesn't talk a lot of crap, but he can be sold as what he is: A class act that is virtually unbeatable.

What he needs to do, and HBO needs to spend some money on this, is give him access to the mainstream. Floyd forced himself into mainstream and he doesn't even have any endorsement deals- Nike, Fila, etc...

Andre needs to go on the day time talk shows, night time talk shows, guest appear in roles in television and movies as himself, do the youtube thing, invite people into all access into his camp and start to become more regular on the boxing telecasts as he is doing.... there is a lot of things despite his fighting style that would cause people to wanna see him.

[ykdadamaja]

Ward needs better PR... as much as he does fight promotion. I think we get that little issue twisted- fight promotions and public relations are two separate issues.

Floyd is a MASTER at PR. He is a master now because of his personal lifestyle that clashed with his amazing ability, he had to learn how to handle the media. And, by extension, he learned how to tamp them down- but he also, by default, found out and knows how to whip them into a frenzy.

Andre can pull it off in a clean, way. Lookit Tim Tebow. As clean as they come, but everyone wanted a piece and he couldn't play a lick of QB.

And there are countless other sports stars that ain't gat spit in the ring, but made it due to the extra.

[Silkeyjoe]

ward is the one person that i cannot understand the hate against. he is a class act, an awesome fighter, and has fought the best. personally, i love watching him fight. the rodriguez fight was great. if you didnt like that fight then i question your motives. i would assume that you choose to dislike ward fights. he isnt like rigo to where he just stays on the outside and jabs and the opponent does nothing. ward lands shots and throws power shots. he is a master boxer. he is potentially better than mayweather but mayweather is still #1 p4p because of legacy and he still hasnt lost or come close to it. ward hasnt had a close fight against any top fighter he has faced yet people still want to complain about him.

He is one of the best to ever grace the sport, even at this stage. What has to happen is that he needs better promotions to make himself more attractive. Sure, he isn't exciting- i.e., doesn't get hit a lot, doesn't throw 5 punch combo's every 10 seconds and also doesn't talk a lot of crap, but he can be sold as what he is: A class act that is virtually unbeatable.

What he needs to do, and HBO needs to spend some money on this, is give him access to the mainstream. Floyd forced himself into mainstream and he doesn't even have any endorsement deals- Nike, Fila, etc...

Andre needs to go on the day time talk shows, night time talk shows, guest appear in roles in television and movies as himself, do the youtube thing, invite people into all access into his camp and start to become more regular on the boxing telecasts as he is doing.... there is a lot of things despite his fighting style that would cause people to wanna see him.

Dribble. Rigo has a far better skill set, as does Floyd.

[powerpuncher]

ward is the one person that i cannot understand the hate against. he is a class act, an awesome fighter, and has fought the best. personally, i love watching him fight. the rodriguez fight was great. if you didnt like that fight then i question your motives. i would assume that you choose to dislike ward fights. he isnt like rigo to where he just stays on the outside and jabs and the opponent does nothing. ward lands shots and throws power shots. he is a master boxer. he is potentially better than mayweather but mayweather is still #1 p4p because of legacy and he still hasnt lost or come close to it. ward hasnt had a close fight against any top fighter he has faced yet people still want to complain about him.

He is one of the best to ever grace the sport, even at this stage. What has to happen is that he needs better promotions to make himself more attractive. Sure, he isn't exciting- i.e., doesn't get hit a lot, doesn't throw 5 punch combo's every 10 seconds and also doesn't talk a lot of crap, but he can be sold as what he is: A class act that is virtually unbeatable.

What he needs to do, and HBO needs to spend some money on this, is give him access to the mainstream. Floyd forced himself into mainstream and he doesn't even have any endorsement deals- Nike, Fila, etc...

Andre needs to go on the day time talk shows, night time talk shows, guest appear in roles in television and movies as himself, do the youtube thing, invite people into all access into his camp and start to become more regular on the boxing telecasts as he is doing.... there is a lot of things despite his fighting style that would cause people to wanna see him.

Dribble. Rigo has a far better skill set, as does Floyd.

not true. rigo is good but hasnt at all proven to be on wards level yet.