Is this the worst era in HW boxing history?

[Max Power]

I have already stated Holyfield rates higher than Haye, Haye's short innings at HW versus Holyfields extensive career there is obvious.

Holyfields HW record though is 26-10, double digit losses!!

Haye was undefeated except for the loss to Wladimir Klitschko, that's as excusable as Holyfields loss to Lennox Lewis.

In reality, David Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko was a fight about as evenly contested as Evander Holyfield vs Lennox Lewis. Haye could have won a couple extra rounds than is given credit for and made Wladimir miss all night (25% connect for Wlad, the lowest of any fight for him, a guy reknowned for his punch accuracy!) Wlad won the fight on workrate! Because Haye did not take enough risks necessary to win but yet also guarded him from being KO'd himself. Look at the tremendous height, weight and HW experience advantage Wladimir had over Haye.

As for Haye's expected performance against Holyfield's opponents though I find that abslutely laughable. Bert Cooper? LOL Haye would destroy Cooper, and KO old Larry Holmes and UD Foreman without barely getting hit. If your trying to say that Haye loses to the majority of the 90's fighters you are being naive beyond belief.

You do realise even though he has not amassed a sizable HW record, he was a champion CW fighter, among the greatest, in fact funny enough, 2nd only to Evander Holyfield himself!! Although not the same as real HW experience in power and resistance or range, it is still the same sport!

Haye's own opponents? Haye smashed the living shit out of Barrett who was just as good as Bert Cooper and didn't Cooper drop Holy and almost KO him?? Haye did manage to defeat a 7 foot tall 320lb giant, that Holy could have done it too when he was prime I'm not disputing but that's not proof, only 1 other guy ever managed to do it, Ruslan Chagaev, another champion boxer.

Bert Cooper and Dereck Chisora were also fairly comparable do you agree yes or no? What happened when Haye fought Chisora? To take on a guy with chin like that and whack them out as if they were nothing, that's power. Holy wasn't even whacking guys around like that in the Cruisers!!

Just some perspective.

[Master]

Your perspective is as usual rubbish. Haye would not stop Holmes, foreman may have wasted Haye with a jab.

[mrbig1]

Every shot was on target with power. I don't think Chisora even landed a punch in that round. Keep in mind Chisora has a damn good chin.

[Mr140]

Haye Lost to fucking Thompson when he was cw which kinda sad consider he was 40. Haye best win you could say Holyfeild beat at 48 and most of Holyfields loses are after he was 40.I don't think Haye won a round against Wald and Wald not even close to a Lennox Lewis. Haye best win are pretty much lacking and he lost to the guys who one was a good champ and lost ever round the other a old vet who knocked him out so i don't understand your logic on how great he is and why he is mentioned with Holyfeild.

[Max Power]

Haye Lost to fucking Thompson when he was cw which kinda sad consider he was 40. Haye best win you could say Holyfeild beat at 48 and most of Holyfields loses are after he was 40.I don't think Haye won a round against Wald and Wald not even close to a Lennox Lewis. Haye best win are pretty much lacking and he lost to the guys who one was a good champ and lost ever round the other a old vet who knocked him out so i don't understand your logic on how great he is and why he is mentioned with Holyfeild.

Nice one mate, so now your scratching you bring up Haye's only loss entire career.

Except the correct perspective there should read.. "10 fight GREEN David Haye loses by punchers chance to ageing but EXPERIENCED VETERAN Thompson, never to be defeated or seriously challeneged again until Wladimir Klitschko.

Who is to say Haye's opponents are shit. What makes big Audley Harrison a shitter opponent than say Vaugn Bean who push Holyfield? Audley isn't even that bad and Haye murdered him.

Lewis and Wlad are imo also fairly comparable. A fool would disagree there!

[ruthless rocco]

Haye Lost to fucking Thompson when he was cw which kinda sad consider he was 40. Haye best win you could say Holyfeild beat at 48 and most of Holyfields loses are after he was 40.I don't think Haye won a round against Wald and Wald not even close to a Lennox Lewis. Haye best win are pretty much lacking and he lost to the guys who one was a good champ and lost ever round the other a old vet who knocked him out so i don't understand your logic on how great he is and why he is mentioned with Holyfeild.

Nice one mate, so now your scratching you bring up Haye's only loss entire career.

Except the correct perspective there should read.. "10 fight GREEN David Haye loses by punchers chance to ageing but EXPERIENCED VETERAN Thompson, never to be defeated or seriously challeneged again until Wladimir Klitschko.

Who is to say Haye's opponents are shit. What makes big Audley Harrison a shitter opponent than say Vaugn Bean who push Holyfield? Audley isn't even that bad and Haye murdered him.

Lewis and Wlad are imo also fairly comparable. A fool would disagree there!

@maxpower -- You are so stupid and so wrong!

You couldn't even figure out how to join the prediction contest.

[Max Power]

Haye Lost to fucking Thompson when he was cw which kinda sad consider he was 40. Haye best win you could say Holyfeild beat at 48 and most of Holyfields loses are after he was 40.I don't think Haye won a round against Wald and Wald not even close to a Lennox Lewis. Haye best win are pretty much lacking and he lost to the guys who one was a good champ and lost ever round the other a old vet who knocked him out so i don't understand your logic on how great he is and why he is mentioned with Holyfeild.

Nice one mate, so now your scratching you bring up Haye's only loss entire career.

Except the correct perspective there should read.. "10 fight GREEN David Haye loses by punchers chance to ageing but EXPERIENCED VETERAN Thompson, never to be defeated or seriously challeneged again until Wladimir Klitschko.

Who is to say Haye's opponents are shit. What makes big Audley Harrison a shitter opponent than say Vaugn Bean who push Holyfield? Audley isn't even that bad and Haye murdered him.

Lewis and Wlad are imo also fairly comparable. A fool would disagree there!

@maxpower -- You are so stupid and so wrong!

You couldn't even figure out how to join the prediction contest.

It might take me longer than some but I do get there lol

[Max Power]

Every shot was on target with power. I don't think Chisora even landed a punch in that round. Keep in mind Chisora has a damn good chin.

All should pay attention to the commentary...

"Blurring speed"

"Tremendous hook"

"Excellent finisher"

"One of the best chins in the business"

!!!

[walrus]

im surprised a number of you say Wlad is one of the greatest Heavyweights of all time. On paper I would say that is true but in style I would disagree. Having said that I will defer to you guys as I haven't really followed his career. I really can't stand watching him fight. I have only watched a couple of his fights so I am not position to say anyone to say those who feel he is top three material is wrong. Still, having a Heavyweight champ many of us can't stand watching speaks volumes to me.

[powerpuncher]

im surprised a number of you say Wlad is one of the greatest Heavyweights of all time. On paper I would say that is true but in style I would disagree. Having said that I will defer to you guys as I haven't really followed his career. I really can't stand watching him fight. I have only watched a couple of his fights so I am not position to say anyone to say those who feel he is top three material is wrong. Still, having a Heavyweight champ many of us can't stand watching speaks volumes to me.

he isnt. some people just get tricked because he started dominating after all of the decent fighters retired.

[Max Power]

@powerpuncher

And that's all there is to it ey, boxing died, all of the decent HW's retired and all of Wlad's opponents are garbage ey? A whole decade of opponents now in a globalised sport?

Not likely bud!

And your summary of my positions whilst containing accuracy leaves many specifics unturned. OF course many so called "experts" are biased or untruthful, that goes for all sports. Hell, trainers and experts are misleading from fight to fight currently let alone when commenting far in the past.

What about fighters like Ruslan Chagaev, Hasim Rahman, Sultan Ibragimov, David Haye, Tony Thompson, Samuel Peter, Alexander Povetkin. They are real push-overs there those opponents!!

If guys like your precious Muhammad Ali had the same run of opponents like that then he'd be in double digit losses in no time!! Fact!

[Max Power]

Your perspective is as usual rubbish. Haye would not stop Holmes, foreman may have wasted Haye with a jab.

Yes, a young primer Holmes was 2ce removed by Michael friggin Spinks, a guy an inch or 2 shorter and 15 lbs lighter than Haye with all the power of a leaf blower and still not the slickness, struggled and gifted against heaps of his contempories. LAter a fatter and older but more experienced and smarter version manages to out land a plodder in Ray Mercer. Suddenly he can withstand David Haye!

George Foreman was 2ce beaten by 2 of the biggest featherfists to ever participate in HW boxing, Muhammad Ali and Jimmy Young when prime but the old slow version would KO Haye with a jab?

Wanna see what would happen there, see Foreman vs Morrison!

[Master]

Your perspective is as usual rubbish. Haye would not stop Holmes, foreman may have wasted Haye with a jab.

Yes, a young primer Holmes was 2ce removed by Michael friggin Spinks, a guy an inch or 2 shorter and 15 lbs lighter than Haye with all the power of a leaf blower and still not the slickness, struggled and gifted against heaps of his contempories. LAter a fatter and older but more experienced and smarter version manages to out land a plodder in Ray Mercer. Suddenly he can withstand David Haye!

George Foreman was 2ce beaten by 2 of the biggest featherfists to ever participate in HW boxing, Muhammad Ali and Jimmy Young when prime but the old slow version would KO Haye with a jab?

Wanna see what would happen there, see Foreman vs Morrison!

Holmes should have gotten both decisions against Spinks who probably would have beaten Haye anyway.

Haye fighting like Tommy Morrison to win a decision, could happen but probably not either.

[Max Power]

Your perspective is as usual rubbish. Haye would not stop Holmes, foreman may have wasted Haye with a jab.

Yes, a young primer Holmes was 2ce removed by Michael friggin Spinks, a guy an inch or 2 shorter and 15 lbs lighter than Haye with all the power of a leaf blower and still not the slickness, struggled and gifted against heaps of his contempories. LAter a fatter and older but more experienced and smarter version manages to out land a plodder in Ray Mercer. Suddenly he can withstand David Haye!

George Foreman was 2ce beaten by 2 of the biggest featherfists to ever participate in HW boxing, Muhammad Ali and Jimmy Young when prime but the old slow version would KO Haye with a jab?

Wanna see what would happen there, see Foreman vs Morrison!

Holmes should have gotten both decisions against Spinks who probably would have beaten Haye anyway.

Haye fighting like Tommy Morrison to win a decision, could happen but probably not either.

I never said David Haye would slug it out right in front of Foreman did I? Obviously not. It would be a successful hit and run job. An EASY hit and run job. Hell Morrison was a swarmer/slugger type fighter with good all round boxing skills as well, hit and run was not even his style and he pulled it off. The faster more practiced at it Haye could do it blindfolded I reckon.

As for Spinks, maybe your right about those decisions but they were close to draws in my book anyway, disgraceful for a guy like Holmes who had been potentially gifted many times previous anyway. But as for Spinks vs Haye I think Spinks stands as much chance there as against Tyson!! F/A!