03 Wladimir Klitchksco VS Joe Frazier

[Master]

Shavers had natural power like Foreman, he was heavy handed too.

[Max Power]

Shavers had natural power like Foreman, he was heavy handed too.

Come on Master, you gotta be realistic here. I know you hate it when I mention size and weight but the average HW these days is about 230lbs and 6'3"-6'4"

Shavers at 6' and 200-210lbs would have been the smallest opponent that either Klitschko could ever face. He is the same size as a modern CW at fight night.

He enjoyed none of the modern power training that modern boxers do.

He threw everything into his shots with no regard for balance so yeah he hit hard but you are talking about a guy 2 or 3 weight ranges below the superheavyweights of today in reality.

Not saying this one did not hit hard but you can show me no opponent that Shavers has knocked out in 90 odd fights that goes any distance to prove he hit the hardest. Over 90 fights that is representative of his true place in heavyhandedness.

George Foreman was the hardest puncher of that era I have zero doubt.

[bradlee180]

Then by your reckoning, 7', 320 lb Nikolay Valuev should hit harder than all other Boxers ever as he's both taller and heavier, yet that's clearly not the case regarding his punching power.

What gives?!

[Max Power]

Something does give Brad. Size is not everything. That's obvious otherwise there'd be no point in boxing or trying to measure punching power. But it is also obvious that all else being equal, the bigger man hits harder.

Valuev is an arm puncher and lacks any snap and is slow, no great mystery there.

Plenty of other boxers have more snap and better punch technique and more explosive than Shaver's and also have the luxury of being bigger (and better boxers in general too).

The best gauge is to check who in fact they managed to knock out and hurt.

Shaver's failed to knock out Holmes.
Shaver's failed to even drop Ali, a former CW! That would be like Wladimir or Tyson or Morrison any of those type guys connecting full power with say Chris Byrd or David Haye or Mormeck and them not even hitting the deck!

(WHAT IS USUALLY USED AS EVIDENCE OF ALI'S FABRICATED CHIN IS IN FACT EVIDENCE OF THE LIMITEDNESS OF SHAVER'S PUNCH POWER COMPARED TO TODAY!)

Shaver's failed to knock out any non-bummy opponents who were over 200lbs with one exception.

Ken Norton. A glass jawed HW with a basically non-existent punch.

(SHAVER'S WAS DANGEROUS TO BUMS AND CRUISERS MAINLY BUT NOT HEAVY TOP OPPOSITION)

Shaver's is a tomato can who was pumped up by the better boxers of his day to be something he was not because they felt sorry for his lack of boxing ability. Sure of it! lol

[bradlee180]

...because they felt sorry for his lack of boxing ability. Sure of it! lol

I feel sorry for your lack of Boxing knowledge, your ignorance, and your limited capacity regarding learning.


Congratulations !!!

Your brain is a piece of $#!t !!!

[Max Power]

No worries.. Fan boy of Shavers!! =P

[Master]

Max and Finito lets put it this way.

Wilder may hit p4p harder than Shavers but KO artist is about technique rather than just raw power. Shavers has fought, hurt, knocked down and out great fighters with great chins such as Holmes and Ali who have testified that Earnie hit the hardest. Wilder does have power but his level of opposition is not in the league of Shavers and may never be. Being a KO artist is not about how hard you hit but who you hit and the affects on them.