Wladimir plans to box for 10 more years to break Joe louis' record

[ross]

Maybe Bell and Haye were high quality opponents?

Take a click on all Mormecks opponents, especially the loss ones and just see the quality of their records at a glance. And then do the same for Louis and you will see exactly what I'm talking about.

They were all good boxers but one of them fought mostly bums... And 3 of them did not!

I don't rate Haye or Bell

Haye lost to Thompson and wanted no rematch. The only other name he has a win over at cruiser is Enzo

[Max Power]

He completely cleaned out the cruiser division and then started whacking the giant heavies around. That's a little bit respectful!

Most all former cruisers that move up to heavy are always featherfists, even Holyfield, but Haye seemed to carry his power with him as well as his speed. Not that durable but so good he didn't really get hit much anyway!

[Master]

Did you say "that is a little bit disrespectful"? Read your posts about Joe Louis, Joe Frazier, Ali and say that again.

[Max Power]

LOL I catch your drift but I did in fact mean that what Haye did was a bit "respectful". I can see how ironic it would have been were I to have taken offense though lol

[VG_Addict]

You still haven't told me how Mormeck is more skilled than Louis.

How can anyone say this is a strong HW era when a clumsy oaf like Tyson Fury is a contender?

[Max Power]

You still haven't told me how Mormeck is more skilled than Louis.

How can anyone say this is a strong HW era when a clumsy oaf like Tyson Fury is a contender?

He has much better movement, he is more solid in defense, Louis couldn't avoid a right hand. He is more fluid and has far better coordination. You can see this by actually watching him with a critical eye rather than just bashing him.

Tyson Fury an oaf so how could it be a good era if he is a top competitor?

Foreman was a top competitor in the 70's, not exactly a technician.

Liston in the 50's, the champ!

PRimo Carnera in the 30's!

Fury is not inferior skillwise to any of these men.

[ross]

He completely cleaned out the cruiser division and then started whacking the giant heavies around. That's a little bit respectful!

Most all former cruisers that move up to heavy are always featherfists, even Holyfield, but Haye seemed to carry his power with him as well as his speed. Not that durable but so good he didn't really get hit much anyway!

Did he fuck!

There was Steve Cunnigham who was also a world champion at the time. He held the IBF title.

Haye wanted no part of him after he had knocked out Marco Huck.

Always bugs me when Haye and idiots call Haye the undisputed champ because there was another very good fighter around he completely side stepped.

[Max Power]

He completely cleaned out the cruiser division and then started whacking the giant heavies around. That's a little bit respectful!

Most all former cruisers that move up to heavy are always featherfists, even Holyfield, but Haye seemed to carry his power with him as well as his speed. Not that durable but so good he didn't really get hit much anyway!

Did he fuck!

There was Steve Cunnigham who was also a world champion at the time. He held the IBF title.

Haye wanted no part of him after he had knocked out Marco Huck.

Always bugs me when Haye and idiots call Haye the undisputed champ because there was another very good fighter around he completely side stepped.

Again, you do realise in the current landscape of boxing how difficult it is to become undisputed holding all 4 major belts at the time and keeping them? With one belt forcing you to fight someone and then another threatening to strip another? Things were a lot simpler back in the day. I don't think Haye sweated Cunningham! Fuck, look at the performance of Haye by comparison! No matter what he did you will always find some minor little issue to pick on, same for any other current and recent fighter but you can somehow choose to overlook the vast and more serious problems that would be encountered by your past time heroes.

[ross]

He completely cleaned out the cruiser division and then started whacking the giant heavies around. That's a little bit respectful!

Most all former cruisers that move up to heavy are always featherfists, even Holyfield, but Haye seemed to carry his power with him as well as his speed. Not that durable but so good he didn't really get hit much anyway!

Did he fuck!

There was Steve Cunnigham who was also a world champion at the time. He held the IBF title.

Haye wanted no part of him after he had knocked out Marco Huck.

Always bugs me when Haye and idiots call Haye the undisputed champ because there was another very good fighter around he completely side stepped.

Again, you do realise in the current landscape of boxing how difficult it is to become undisputed holding all 4 major belts at the time and keeping them? With one belt forcing you to fight someone and then another threatening to strip another? Things were a lot simpler back in the day. I don't think Haye sweated Cunningham! Fuck, look at the performance of Haye by comparison! No matter what he did you will always find some minor little issue to pick on, same for any other current and recent fighter but you can somehow choose to overlook the vast and more serious problems that would be encountered by your past time heroes.

You could then! This was 2007!

You said he cleaned out a division...

He only fought two of the top ten at that time, avoided another champion, only had two world title/championship level fights and never defended those titles together.

Hardly cleaning out a division.

[Max Power]

He completely cleaned out the cruiser division and then started whacking the giant heavies around. That's a little bit respectful!

Most all former cruisers that move up to heavy are always featherfists, even Holyfield, but Haye seemed to carry his power with him as well as his speed. Not that durable but so good he didn't really get hit much anyway!

Did he fuck!

There was Steve Cunnigham who was also a world champion at the time. He held the IBF title.

Haye wanted no part of him after he had knocked out Marco Huck.

Always bugs me when Haye and idiots call Haye the undisputed champ because there was another very good fighter around he completely side stepped.

Again, you do realise in the current landscape of boxing how difficult it is to become undisputed holding all 4 major belts at the time and keeping them? With one belt forcing you to fight someone and then another threatening to strip another? Things were a lot simpler back in the day. I don't think Haye sweated Cunningham! Fuck, look at the performance of Haye by comparison! No matter what he did you will always find some minor little issue to pick on, same for any other current and recent fighter but you can somehow choose to overlook the vast and more serious problems that would be encountered by your past time heroes.

You could then! This was 2007!

You said he cleaned out a division...

He only fought two of the top ten at that time, avoided another champion, only had two world title/championship level fights and never defended those titles together.

Hardly cleaning out a division.

Fair enough then, I wouldn't say he avoided him though, I'd say he achieved enough there to be considered the top dog by far. He was better than Adamek and Cunningham with any serious reflection. Close enough for me

[ross]

He completely cleaned out the cruiser division and then started whacking the giant heavies around. That's a little bit respectful!

Most all former cruisers that move up to heavy are always featherfists, even Holyfield, but Haye seemed to carry his power with him as well as his speed. Not that durable but so good he didn't really get hit much anyway!

Did he fuck!

There was Steve Cunnigham who was also a world champion at the time. He held the IBF title.

Haye wanted no part of him after he had knocked out Marco Huck.

Always bugs me when Haye and idiots call Haye the undisputed champ because there was another very good fighter around he completely side stepped.

Again, you do realise in the current landscape of boxing how difficult it is to become undisputed holding all 4 major belts at the time and keeping them? With one belt forcing you to fight someone and then another threatening to strip another? Things were a lot simpler back in the day. I don't think Haye sweated Cunningham! Fuck, look at the performance of Haye by comparison! No matter what he did you will always find some minor little issue to pick on, same for any other current and recent fighter but you can somehow choose to overlook the vast and more serious problems that would be encountered by your past time heroes.

You could then! This was 2007!

You said he cleaned out a division...

He only fought two of the top ten at that time, avoided another champion, only had two world title/championship level fights and never defended those titles together.

Hardly cleaning out a division.

Fair enough then, I wouldn't say he avoided him though, I'd say he achieved enough there to be considered the top dog by far. He was better than Adamek and Cunningham with any serious reflection. Close enough for me

He was stopped by an ancient worn out Carl Thompson. He was not guaranteed to beat any of the other top cruisers at the time. Huck, Bell, Braithwaite, Cunningham, Adamek, all could have beaten him.