Wladimir plans to box for 10 more years to break Joe louis' record

[Max Power]

Holmes beats everyone that Adamek fought. Including Vitali.

Cooney would hurt Arreola. Arreola would be ideal for Cooneys big left hooks.

Holmes would beat MOST that Adamek fought, he MIGHT beat Adamek, if it was the Holmes that showed up against Spinks I'd doubt it!

Arreola would beat Holmes.

Vitali would demolish Holmes badly.

Holmes was great but he was no more special than any other opponent.

He has a great record against shit opponents, but he failed to convincingly beat a lot of his better opponents like Witherspoon, Williams etc and failed to beat Spinks and Tyson. He even struggled gravely against Norton and got decked by Shavers! He has KO wins against Weaver and guys like that but they were not that great.

I think he could have had his run stopped much earlier than Spinks if the judges had had a different heart in several fights. You overrate Holmes a bit, just because your trying to defend Spinks!

Holmes best win was against Ray Mercer a plodder who hit hard and could take a lot of punches but otherwise not so special. Holmes fought a smart fight against Ray, not so smart against Spinks. He should have gone after Spinks.

As for Arreola/Cooney, huh! Cooney was a lumbering, one armed fighter with a questionable chin. Now how the hell is he gonna survive the vicious maniacal pace and power of bull-like Arreola?

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Holmes beats everyone that Adamek fought. Including Vitali.

Cooney would hurt Arreola. Arreola would be ideal for Cooneys big left hooks.

Holmes would beat MOST that Adamek fought, he MIGHT beat Adamek, if it was the Holmes that showed up against Spinks I'd doubt it!

Arreola would beat Holmes.

Vitali would demolish Holmes badly.

Holmes was great but he was no more special than any other opponent.

He has a great record against shit opponents, but he failed to convincingly beat a lot of his better opponents like Witherspoon, Williams etc and failed to beat Spinks and Tyson. He even struggled gravely against Norton and got decked by Shavers! He has KO wins against Weaver and guys like that but they were not that great.

I think he could have had his run stopped much earlier than Spinks if the judges had had a different heart in several fights. You overrate Holmes a bit, just because your trying to defend Spinks!

Holmes best win was against Ray Mercer a plodder who hit hard and could take a lot of punches but otherwise not so special. Holmes fought a smart fight against Ray, not so smart against Spinks. He should have gone after Spinks.

As for Arreola/Cooney, huh! Cooney was a lumbering, one armed fighter with a questionable chin. Now how the hell is he gonna survive the vicious maniacal pace and power of bull-like Arreola?

Your talking a load of shit.

I see you bit when someone asked your age. Im thinking you are young now.

Your bullshit is going over most peoples heads as they roll their eyes which is why you arent getting many other posters replying.

Holmes went on to beat Mercer who pushed and got robbed against Lewis and McCall who knocked Lewis out. This was an old zholmes against young men. Lewis went on as a much older man to beat Vitali.

Your logic is shit.

Arreola is FUCK all in the grand scheme of things. You must like him as a fighter the way you try to big him amd Adamek up.

He lost to Stiverne who isnt going to do much. Stiverne has already been knocked out and held to a draw by journeymen.

Arreola has done all hes going to do. So has Adamek and in the history books it will show that Spinks was THE man at heavyweight and light heavyweight the lineal title holder and beat twice a top ten in history heavyweight. How many other fighters can say that?

But you carry on deluding your self that Adamek is something and by association, so is Arreola

[Max Power]

LOL whatever ross, I don't even care about this thread anymore,

Yeah sure you can use all that to triangulate Holmes and then Spinks all the way to the top can't you..

Let me get it right for you, Holmes beat Ray when he was an old man who then went on to trouble McCall and Lewis so Holmes could have done the same to them too right. And because Holmes was older then, the younger version must have been able to kill Lewis right? And because Spinks beat Holmes when he was young he must have been better than Ray, McCall and even maybe Lewis too right?

There is a reason why they say triangulation doesn't work mate. People do have on and off days and styles make fights still applies to boxing, it's not completely superceded by size/athleticism/skills.

Maybe the old Holmes was heavier than the younger Holmes.. And maybe the old Holmes was smarter and more experienced than the younger one. And maybe Holmes did not know how to handle the smaller faster Spinks because Holmes was historically used to BEING that faster guy! And he wasn't used to chasing a small opponent around, Holmes usually fought back foot or stand up, he was never a killer or a banger like Tyson or like Arreola.

Just think about all that, and watch the 2 fights Arreola/Adamek and then Spinks/Holmes and see for yourself the difference is not so striking as you think and imo, the newer fight gets the nod!

I don't care how historically is remembered. Today everybody knows who Adamek and Arreola are and nobody knows anything much of Spinks except that skinny little guy who Tyson KO'd who should never have shared the same ring in the first place.

[TigerFan]

Personally...I see 3 maybe 4 fights left in Wladimir's career. I don't think he'll enter the ring @ 40.

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Max your deluded and probably got in to boxing after Wlads last loss.

Spinks will be remembered as the undisputed light heavyweight champion of the world and as part of the lineal heavyweight championship.

What will Adamek or Arreola be remembered for?

Adamek for beating Arreola and Arreola for losing to Adamek.

You are refusing to believe that it is even possible that Spinks could beat Adamek. Spinks awkward style, combinations and power would big time trouble Wlad.

Chambers gave Wlad his most difficult fight and landed plenty of shots recently but he let himself down with his fitness. Spinks would give Wlad fits!

A lot of people thought Alvarez was going to be too strong for Mayweather but it just turns out it was probably Mayweathers easiest win.

Chris Byrd beat Vitali. (The same Vitali that hammered Arreola). Made him quit where others have carried on. Spinks would have a field day.

You are ether posting from school, or the job centre

[Mr140]

Looking at Arreola Record who exactly would you put as his best win because when came to contenders he kinda fell short every time he step up so he is not much different the Cooney really. I mean he has no real notable wins and against any one that could box he been fucked. This half the reason i don think he going to beat Spinks who was a complete boxer most of his ko wins are against bums i only see one guy few ok guys he kod and they were nothing but gate keepers or prospects that did nothing really. Acutally now that i view it more a lot of Arreola opponents were kinda jokes with shit records anyone good he lost to so i pretty Confident that even a old Holmes and Moving up in weight Spinks beat the plodder with ok hands but pretty shit footwork which going to be his down fall for most great fighters.

[Max Power]

Max your deluded and probably got in to boxing after Wlads last loss.

Spinks will be remembered as the undisputed light heavyweight champion of the world and as part of the lineal heavyweight championship.

What will Adamek or Arreola be remembered for?

Adamek for beating Arreola and Arreola for losing to Adamek.

You are refusing to believe that it is even possible that Spinks could beat Adamek. Spinks awkward style, combinations and power would big time trouble Wlad.

Chambers gave Wlad his most difficult fight and landed plenty of shots recently but he let himself down with his fitness. Spinks would give Wlad fits!

A lot of people thought Alvarez was going to be too strong for Mayweather but it just turns out it was probably Mayweathers easiest win.

Chris Byrd beat Vitali. (The same Vitali that hammered Arreola). Made him quit where others have carried on. Spinks would have a field day.

You are ether posting from school, or the job centre

Show me the part where I said that Spinks has no chance against Adamek?

I said that MY OPINION was that Adamek is better.

As for the notoriety, of course Spinks is one of the best lhw champs of all time and is prominent in boxing circles like this. To a casual modern fan however, Spinks is remembered if at all, for being that little guy wasted by Tyson. Only proper boxing fans really know who he is! Unlike Tyson and Ali, everybody knows who they are!

And that's all negative I had to say about the man, I'm not bagging Spinks, simply saying that I don't think he would pose a SERIOUS factor at HW, probably somewhere in the neighbourhood of Adamek!

[Max Power]

You might be right about Holmes/Arreola, I agree some versions could beat him based on what you said.

I don't think any version of Spinks stands a chance though.

Chris Arreola moves better than the version of Holmes that Spinks fought... Watch him. Holmes plods, doesn't move his head or body and just paws with the jab all night, hardly ever throws any rights and when he does they are wild and as commentator said "telegraphed all the way from Reno!" lol.

You gotta admit, Arreola would NEVER fight that badly! Just watch Holmes in that one, then watch Arreola in the Adamek fight and see exactly what I'm talking about. This isn't a reflection on any mans whole career here.

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Holmes beats everyone that Adamek fought. Including Vitali.

Cooney would hurt Arreola. Arreola would be ideal for Cooneys big left hooks.

Arreola would beat Holmes.