Subpar Foe Doesn't Mean Klitschko's Not An All-Timer

[Mr140]

Well it was mostly in the Haye build up you kept building up Haye and pissing lyle off but you never called Wald a cheat till after he beat Haye and it was not Wald doing most of fouling could be wrong maybe there another reason you do. I am just saying before the fight you never called Wald a cheat before.

[erics44]

Well it was mostly in the Haye build up you kept building up Haye and pissing lyle off but you never called Wald a cheat till after he beat Haye and it was not Wald doing most of fouling could be wrong maybe there another reason you do. I am just saying before the fight you never called Wald a cheat before.

you are right i definately wasnt as vocal about it in the past

i am bored of it now tho, id like the HW division back, it was always clear what was going on

before, during and after the haye fight and the several fights before and since all i hear is how much of gentlemen the klits are, how good they are for boxing

are they fuckers like, wlad cheats all the way through the majority of his fights and putting his opponents at more risk in the process, ok wlad is the champ and has a very good set up and is very good at what he does

see it for what it is tho

[Mr140]

Eric not getting better when they leave dude just going to fighters worse then them pretty much. Might get more exciting i guess but in truth the level will go down. I may just disagree with you hear but out of all Walds fights i only think maybe 15 percent of them were he really over did but to each his own.

[erics44]

Eric not getting better when they leave dude just going to fighters worse then them pretty much. Might get more exciting i guess but in truth the level will go down. I may just disagree with you hear but out of all Walds fights i only think maybe 15 percent of them were he really over did but to each his own.

yep, if you dont think that what wlad is doing is extreme blatent cheating then each to their own as you say

ill have to disagree with on your opinion that it wont get better once hes gone too

i think its will get a lot better, there might be a short low period, but once that is done we could have some exciting title fights again, only sticking point is if we get another wlad opperation taking over

[Mr140]

Not many big men are like the Brothers for there size they are way fast and can really box when they feel like it only Bowie and Lewis were like them. I am pretty sure there won't be a reigning champ but the talent pool right now is not a good one really and the eastern Europeans are kinda kings of hws now.

[erics44]

Not many big men are like the Brothers for there size they are way fast and can really box when they feel like it only Bowie and Lewis were like them. I am pretty sure there won't be a reigning champ but the talent pool right now is not a good one really and the eastern Europeans are kinda kings of hws now.

thats an opinion, mine is much more positive on the state of the division without wlad

like ive said a number of times i think wlad would have been beaten off at least one of his opponents over the last several years if he was made to fight within the rules

but lets say wlads cheating isnt cheating, lets say holding is in the rules, id rather have 5 years of less tallent and more excitement, id like to enjoy a HW title fight again

mind you the main reason i dont enjoy them is because wlad is allowed to cheat so much, if he wasnt his fights would undoubtably more exciting

[Max Power]

Forget the Povetkin fight for a minute, we know that was the worst right.

Compare it to Sam Peter fight, there are more and more dirtier clinches in the Frazier fight than there were in Wlad's first fight with Peter.

What is it about Wlad that constitutes cheating to you? I'm confused now.

The whole holding thing got massively exaggerated after Povetkin as if he ONLY won that way.

Yet BEFORE that fight he was accused of it only mildly and more criticised for his endless jabbing.