Chavez Jr Vs Chuck Liddell in a streetfight

[Violent Demise]

I have yet to see a muthafukka go for a submission in a street fight. First reaction is to start swinging punches. Which means the Ice Man gets iced

[oakleyno1]

I have yet to see a muthafukka go for a submission in a street fight. First reaction is to start swinging punches. Which means the Ice Man gets iced

Chuck all the way - check out UFC 1-7 etc when there really were no rules - think there was about one boxer - and he got wiped out fast -

even the best fighters (boxers) are at an immediate disadvantage in a street fight vs a good ufc fighter - I prefer boxing anyday and love watching it - but ask a beginner to box or train in mma to have a street fight in a year and they should pick mma

[bradlee180]

check out UFC 1-7 etc when there really were no rules - think there was about one boxer - and he got wiped out fast -

Really, that proved nothing... except that the masses are gullible.

The Gracie family co-owned UFC and selected all opponents.

UFC was simply a tournament the Gracies created to promote their Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to drive up enrollments at their martial arts schools. It was like a PPV infomercial.
They had no idea it would ever morph into what it's become, nor that a sport would develop out of it.

Do you honesty think they'd pick opponents that they thought their man Royce couldn't beat? On their own show?!

God bless 'em, at least the fights were real, and Royce still deserves respect for fighting 3 fights in 1 night with barely any rules, no weight classes, and no time limits. But this boxer they selected proved nothing.


From 1984 when we got a 10 foot satellite dish, throughout the 80s and 1990s, I was a Boxing fanatic, and would even watch the 4 rd Just4Starters, but despite all this history, I had never seen nor even heard of Art Jimmerson until UFC 1 in Nov, 1993.

[Beanflicker]

Chuck would knock him out quick fast.

[Hulk]

This is a hair brain thread.


Chuck was very good junior college wrestler, like Tito. He would immediately take Junior down and ground n pound him.


I remember years ago there was some discussion about Chuck having a stand up fight with Tommy Morrison.


One supposed elite mma fighter who wished to remain anonymous was quoted essentially saying Chuck would have no chance.

[Spicoli]

If its some unplanned street fight chances are Chavez is waddling out of McDonalds at about 200lbs and stoned. I give Chuck the nod on sheer death fire intensity and leg kicks and the fact that no fat uninspired fat kid with muttin chops and sweet & sour sauce running down his chin will beat him.

[bradlee180]

Through the 80s and early 90s, I watched a helluva lot of Boxing and Kickboxing, but I'd never heard of ANY of these guys that were at UFC 1.

In 1993 at UFC 1, what if Royce's opponents were top pros of the day like:

Mike Tyson
Roy Jones
Gerald McClellan
Simon Brown
Julian Jackson
James Toney
Tommy Morrison
Evander Holyfield
Dennis Alexio
Don the Dragon Wilson
Rick Roufus
Maurice Smith
Ernesto Hoost
Jean-Yves Theriault.
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^ I'd bet on them ALL taking out Royce in any kind of fight in 1993, 1994.


I'm sure there's top Muay Thai fighters of the era could have done it too, but I'm unfamiliar with the best Muay Thai men of the era; there wasn't much broadcasted in those days.

I think there's pro wrestlers with good amateur backgrounds at the time that could have taken him.
You think even smaller wrestlers like Brett Hart or the Dynamite Kid couldn't do the job? Dr. D David Schultz ? Ravishing Rick Rude?

The legend of Greco-Roman wrestling, Aleksandr Karelin from Russia? He was in his prime at the time.

Meng/Haku/King Tonga would have KILLED Royce Gracie.




Both Kimo and Keith Hackney sure as $#!t weren't anything close to being world-class strikers nor world-class fighter/athletes, yet they sure rained down the boatloads of punishment on Gracie until eventually getting caught in a submission. Kimo actually had no martial arts background at all, Tae Kwon Do my rosy red rectum...


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[armin]

Through the 80s and early 90s, I watched a helluva lot of Boxing and Kickboxing, but I'd never heard of ANY of these guys that were at UFC 1.

In 1993 at UFC 1, what if Royce's opponents were top pros of the day like:

Mike Tyson
Roy Jones
Gerald McClellan
Simon Brown
Julian Jackson
James Toney
Tommy Morrison
Evander Holyfield
Dennis Alexio
Don the Dragon Wilson
Rick Roufus
Maurice Smith
Ernesto Hoost
Jean-Yves Theriault.
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^ I'd bet on them ALL taking out Royce in any kind of fight in 1993, 1994.


I'm sure there's top Muay Thai fighters of the era could have done it too, but I'm unfamiliar with the best Muay Thai men of the era; there wasn't much broadcasted in those days.

I think there's pro wrestlers with good amateur backgrounds at the time that could have taken him.
You think even smaller wrestlers like Brett Hart or the Dynamite Kid couldn't do the job? Dr. D David Schultz ? Ravishing Rick Rude?

The legend of Greco-Roman wrestling, Aleksandr Karelin from Russia? He was in his prime at the time.

Meng/Haku/King Tonga would have KILLED Royce Gracie.




Both Kimo and Keith Hackney sure as $#!t weren't anything close to being world-class strikers nor world-class fighter/athletes, yet they sure rained down the boatloads of punishment on Gracie until eventually getting caught in a submission. Kimo actually had no martial arts background at all, Tae Kwon Do my rosy red rectum...


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Kimo would have finished his ass too if not for getting half his hair pulled out

[J_Undisputed]

Through the 80s and early 90s, I watched a helluva lot of Boxing and Kickboxing, but I'd never heard of ANY of these guys that were at UFC 1.

In 1993 at UFC 1, what if Royce's opponents were top pros of the day like:

Mike Tyson
Roy Jones
Gerald McClellan
Simon Brown
Julian Jackson
James Toney
Tommy Morrison
Evander Holyfield
Dennis Alexio
Don the Dragon Wilson
Rick Roufus
Maurice Smith
Ernesto Hoost
Jean-Yves Theriault.
________________
^ I'd bet on them ALL taking out Royce in any kind of fight in 1993, 1994.


I'm sure there's top Muay Thai fighters of the era could have done it too, but I'm unfamiliar with the best Muay Thai men of the era; there wasn't much broadcasted in those days.

I think there's pro wrestlers with good amateur backgrounds at the time that could have taken him.
You think even smaller wrestlers like Brett Hart or the Dynamite Kid couldn't do the job? Dr. D David Schultz ? Ravishing Rick Rude?

The legend of Greco-Roman wrestling, Aleksandr Karelin from Russia? He was in his prime at the time.

Meng/Haku/King Tonga would have KILLED Royce Gracie.




Both Kimo and Keith Hackney sure as $#!t weren't anything close to being world-class strikers nor world-class fighter/athletes, yet they sure rained down the boatloads of punishment on Gracie until eventually getting caught in a submission. Kimo actually had no martial arts background at all, Tae Kwon Do my rosy red rectum...


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The problem with many of the guys that you listed is that they probably weren't very keen on the rules or lack there up. I remember see a japanese wrestler front face lock a guy and while laying on his back, take about 13 brutal nut shots in a row while he was side mounted. The only rules in the original were no eye gouging or fish hooking, if i remember correctly. Royce would take big punches just hoping to get inside and grab an arm or leg or Gi. his style preserved the most energy while everyone else was trying to get on the highlight reel in a one night tournament. Biggest surprise to me was i found out last week that the guy that was kicked in the face along the cage by the dutch fighter and lost his tooth was the guy was the big dude from forgetting sarah marshal (the one that worked at the result and hugged the main character) and Hawaii 5-0.

[Hulk]

If its some unplanned street fight chances are Chavez is waddling out of McDonalds at about 200lbs and stoned. I give Chuck the nod on sheer death fire intensity and leg kicks and the fact that no fat uninspired fat kid with muttin chops and sweet & sour sauce running down his chin will beat him.

You paint a vivid picture. LOL


You should have been an English teacher like myself. Or perhaps an author. Or a Chip n Dale's dancer or an astronaut....

[bradlee180]

Mixed Martial Arts matches don't resemble streetfights at all.

I don't know why people always say MMA is closer to a streetfight; it isn't.
MMA features highly-trained, disciplined exponents of the arts with years of experience, fighting within a ruleset; but streetfighters are undisciplined, untrained, and usually under the influence of alcohol and other drugs, and are not close to being like MMA fighters.

Many of the most effective close-quarters streetfighting techniques are banned in MMA ie eye-gouging, biting, tearing at the balls...
One doesn't see anaconda chokes, flying armbars, nor gogoplatas in streetfights.
MMA has waaay more rules than pro boxing, a $#!t-load more, including nefarious UFC rule #15-A-viii, "No putting a finger into any orifice."

Nor do I agree with people always repeating that streetfights always go to the ground; where does that statistic come from?! Who did the research?
Most likely that staement is based on seeing a bunch of half-drunk, untrained bozos outside a bar somewhere. A drunk guy like that goes to the ground all by himself just trying to walk a straight line, for $#!t's sake!!

And in all truth, the ground is not the place to be in a streetfight.
For $#!t's sake, NEVER intentionally take a streetfight to the ground!

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[Violent Demise]

Mixed Martial Arts matches don't resemble streetfights at all.

I don't know why people always say MMA is closer to a streetfight; it isn't.
MMA features highly-trained, disciplined exponents of the arts with years of experience, fighting within a ruleset; but streetfighters are undisciplined, untrained, and usually under the influence of alcohol and other drugs, and are not close to being like MMA fighters.

Many of the most effective close-quarters streetfighting techniques are banned in MMA ie eye-gouging, biting, tearing at the balls...
One doesn't see anaconda chokes, flying armbars, nor gogoplatas in streetfights.
MMA has waaay more rules than pro boxing, a $#!t-load more, including nefarious UFC rule #15-A-viii, "No putting a finger into any orifice."

Nor do I agree with people always repeating that streetfights always go to the ground; where does that statistic come from?! Who did the research?
Most likely that staement is based on seeing a bunch of half-drunk, untrained bozos outside a bar somewhere. A drunk guy like that goes to the ground all by himself just trying to walk a straight line, for $#!t's sake!!

And in all truth, the ground is not the place to be in a streetfight.
For $#!t's sake, NEVER intentionally take a streetfight to the ground!

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I can see it now. MMA fighter takes street fight to the ground. Attempts arm bar or some other submission move only to get hit in the head with a bottle his opponent picked up with his free hand. Street fight over. MMA fighter in real bad shape.

I remember watching one of the TUF shows that the UFC puts out. Not sure what season it was. Anyway two of the muthafukka actually get in a fight outside the house. One of the fools goes for an arm bar. He actually manages to get it locked in. The fool in the arm bar picks him up slightly, rams his head on the concrete and stomps on his face. He was out of the arm bar and other fool is leaking blood. All that ground bullshit you see in MMA doesn't translate well in a street fight

[beenKOed]

I have yet to see a muthafukka go for a submission in a street fight. First reaction is to start swinging punches. Which means the Ice Man gets iced

Fun to disagree with you, as soon as Chuck saw it was going bad standing up, he'd have Jr down between a bench and a building or half way under a car while he stomped on his head or balls.

Stop trolling all the time, please.

[Violent Demise]

I have yet to see a muthafukka go for a submission in a street fight. First reaction is to start swinging punches. Which means the Ice Man gets iced

Fun to disagree with you, as soon as Chuck saw it was going bad standing up, he'd have Jr down between a bench and a building or half way under a car while he stomped on his head or balls.

Stop trolling all the time, please.

There is no soon as. Chuck will never have a chance to consider adjusting. First solid punch Chavez lands he's knocking him out. Once your chin gets cracked it stays cracked. It never comes back. Liddell chin is beyond cracked. He wobbles every time his girl gives him a peck on the cheek. Look at the way his career ended. Those weren't referee stoppage KO's he suffered. Those were knocked the fuck out, give this muthafukka 10 minutes and lets pray to God he wakes up losses. And those weren't skilled punchers who were laying him out

[beenKOed]

I have yet to see a muthafukka go for a submission in a street fight. First reaction is to start swinging punches. Which means the Ice Man gets iced

Fun to disagree with you, as soon as Chuck saw it was going bad standing up, he'd have Jr down between a bench and a building or half way under a car while he stomped on his head or balls.

Stop trolling all the time, please.

There is no soon as. Chuck will never have a chance to consider adjusting. First solid punch Chavez lands he's knocking him out. Once your chin gets cracked it stays cracked. It never comes back. Liddell chin is beyond cracked. He wobbles every time his girl gives him a peck on the cheek. Look at the way his career ended. Those weren't referee stoppage KO's he suffered. Those were knocked the fuck out, give this muthafukka 10 minutes and lets pray to God he wakes up losses. And those weren't skilled punchers who were laying him out

You mean the way Randy Couture didn't have any time to adjust to James Toney?
Toney choose Couture because he wasn't a boxer at all, Couture was a wrestler and skilled at dirty boxing against the cage.
Toney new what was comimg, had months to train and still looked like a fool against Couture. How bad would things have gone for Toney if it had been an actual street fight? He would have been a bloody spot on the ground, the same way Chavez would look.