Chavez Jr Vs Chuck Liddell in a streetfight

[bradlee180]

Through the 80s and early 90s, I watched a helluva lot of Boxing and Kickboxing, but I'd never heard of ANY of these guys that were at UFC 1.

In 1993 at UFC 1, what if Royce's opponents were top pros of the day like:

Mike Tyson
Roy Jones
Gerald McClellan
Simon Brown
Julian Jackson
James Toney
Tommy Morrison
Evander Holyfield
Dennis Alexio
Don the Dragon Wilson
Rick Roufus
Maurice Smith
Ernesto Hoost
Jean-Yves Theriault.
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^ I'd bet on them ALL taking out Royce in any kind of fight in 1993, 1994.


I'm sure there's top Muay Thai fighters of the era could have done it too, but I'm unfamiliar with the best Muay Thai men of the era; there wasn't much broadcasted in those days.

I think there's pro wrestlers with good amateur backgrounds at the time that could have taken him.
You think even smaller wrestlers like Brett Hart or the Dynamite Kid couldn't do the job? Dr. D David Schultz ? Ravishing Rick Rude?

The legend of Greco-Roman wrestling, Aleksandr Karelin from Russia? He was in his prime at the time.

Meng/Haku/King Tonga would have KILLED Royce Gracie.




Both Kimo and Keith Hackney sure as $#!t weren't anything close to being world-class strikers nor world-class fighter/athletes, yet they sure rained down the boatloads of punishment on Gracie until eventually getting caught in a submission. Kimo actually had no martial arts background at all, Tae Kwon Do my rosy red rectum...


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[armin]

Through the 80s and early 90s, I watched a helluva lot of Boxing and Kickboxing, but I'd never heard of ANY of these guys that were at UFC 1.

In 1993 at UFC 1, what if Royce's opponents were top pros of the day like:

Mike Tyson
Roy Jones
Gerald McClellan
Simon Brown
Julian Jackson
James Toney
Tommy Morrison
Evander Holyfield
Dennis Alexio
Don the Dragon Wilson
Rick Roufus
Maurice Smith
Ernesto Hoost
Jean-Yves Theriault.
________________
^ I'd bet on them ALL taking out Royce in any kind of fight in 1993, 1994.


I'm sure there's top Muay Thai fighters of the era could have done it too, but I'm unfamiliar with the best Muay Thai men of the era; there wasn't much broadcasted in those days.

I think there's pro wrestlers with good amateur backgrounds at the time that could have taken him.
You think even smaller wrestlers like Brett Hart or the Dynamite Kid couldn't do the job? Dr. D David Schultz ? Ravishing Rick Rude?

The legend of Greco-Roman wrestling, Aleksandr Karelin from Russia? He was in his prime at the time.

Meng/Haku/King Tonga would have KILLED Royce Gracie.




Both Kimo and Keith Hackney sure as $#!t weren't anything close to being world-class strikers nor world-class fighter/athletes, yet they sure rained down the boatloads of punishment on Gracie until eventually getting caught in a submission. Kimo actually had no martial arts background at all, Tae Kwon Do my rosy red rectum...


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Kimo would have finished his ass too if not for getting half his hair pulled out

[Spicoli]

Random here...does anyone remember when Showtime did regular kickboxing shows, early 90's Some guy out of Virginia(?) went pro boxer did 'ok' then back to kick boxing? I know Roufus fought pro and lost to a few guys, not sure if that was him or not? Brain scratching here. Its really revealing how many Muay thai and kickboxing types made the transition with success. Even a couple WWF guys tried.

[J_Undisputed]

Through the 80s and early 90s, I watched a helluva lot of Boxing and Kickboxing, but I'd never heard of ANY of these guys that were at UFC 1.

In 1993 at UFC 1, what if Royce's opponents were top pros of the day like:

Mike Tyson
Roy Jones
Gerald McClellan
Simon Brown
Julian Jackson
James Toney
Tommy Morrison
Evander Holyfield
Dennis Alexio
Don the Dragon Wilson
Rick Roufus
Maurice Smith
Ernesto Hoost
Jean-Yves Theriault.
________________
^ I'd bet on them ALL taking out Royce in any kind of fight in 1993, 1994.


I'm sure there's top Muay Thai fighters of the era could have done it too, but I'm unfamiliar with the best Muay Thai men of the era; there wasn't much broadcasted in those days.

I think there's pro wrestlers with good amateur backgrounds at the time that could have taken him.
You think even smaller wrestlers like Brett Hart or the Dynamite Kid couldn't do the job? Dr. D David Schultz ? Ravishing Rick Rude?

The legend of Greco-Roman wrestling, Aleksandr Karelin from Russia? He was in his prime at the time.

Meng/Haku/King Tonga would have KILLED Royce Gracie.




Both Kimo and Keith Hackney sure as $#!t weren't anything close to being world-class strikers nor world-class fighter/athletes, yet they sure rained down the boatloads of punishment on Gracie until eventually getting caught in a submission. Kimo actually had no martial arts background at all, Tae Kwon Do my rosy red rectum...


.

The problem with many of the guys that you listed is that they probably weren't very keen on the rules or lack there up. I remember see a japanese wrestler front face lock a guy and while laying on his back, take about 13 brutal nut shots in a row while he was side mounted. The only rules in the original were no eye gouging or fish hooking, if i remember correctly. Royce would take big punches just hoping to get inside and grab an arm or leg or Gi. his style preserved the most energy while everyone else was trying to get on the highlight reel in a one night tournament. Biggest surprise to me was i found out last week that the guy that was kicked in the face along the cage by the dutch fighter and lost his tooth was the guy was the big dude from forgetting sarah marshal (the one that worked at the result and hugged the main character) and Hawaii 5-0.

[jehoshaphat]

A couple of things would have to go right for any boxer against any decent MMA fighter. The MMA guy would have to abandon his ground game and the boxer would have to land that Sunday punch early. No matter the facts, I know some people will just never admit that a good MMA fighter is better equipped to win in a fight against a good boxer so this argument will always remain. But I would like to know how large these few put on the Coutre/Toney fight. I don't know if any hardcore boxing fans who are also hardcore MMA fans is still opining that a good boxer has a better chance than a good MMA fighter. I am hardcore for both sports and I've seen too many examples at all levels for me to be in denial any further. There are a lot of good amateur boxers who tried their hand in MMA and came to a harsh reality. A good example in the highest level is the Gustafson/Davis fight in the UFC. Early in their careers both came into the UFC as a national champion in their own sport and zero game in the opposite side of fighting. Davis was a national champ in wrestling with ouright putrid stand up. It was hard to watch him try to strike. Gustafson came in a national amateur boxing champ and his ground game was barely watchable. This fight ended in the first round by Davis with a submission. After that Gustafson immediately knew he was out of his realm and became part of Davis' team to work on his lack of ground game.