Wladimir plans to box for 10 more years to break Joe louis' record

[bradlee180]

For s#!t's sake, just imagine what Oliver McCall would do to Floyd Mayweather or Andre Ward right now in any kind of fight! It doesn't matter that he's 49 years old.

Weight-classes and pound-for-pound are money-making schemes because with extremely rare exception, these little f*<kers can never beat a decent Heavyweight, nor even dent him a bit for that matter.

The Greatest Fighter in all Boxing will always remain the Heavyweight Champion of the World.

That's the way it ought to be, and that's the way it is.

Always has been, always will be...

[Max Power]

Your a numb nuts Bradlee lol

[VG_Addict]

Tell us how those fighters would be at the top of other eras.

And again, you say fighters like Gene Tunney, Joe Louis, and Jersey Joe Walcott used their faces as defense, when anyone who know anything about boxing knows that isn't true.

[Max Power]

Dude this era get would get crushed by the 90's i mean even the champs had problems with the aging guys from the 90's. Vitaili lost to a old Lewis and Wald got kncoked out by a journeyman and a guy who was just a contender from the era lets not pump it up so much please dear god come on.

That doesn't mean shit that Wlad got caught and knocked out by journeymen sometimes, the same could happen today and that doesn't mean that guy is a better boxer, Wlad would be just as good against those opponents as he is now!

Vitali lost to what ageing guy, Lennox fuckin Lewis! WOW Probably the best HW there's ever been and at what age... 37.. Gee that's SUPER fuckin old isn't it you fool! Mayweather's friggin age right now and LEwis was a HW who can obviously last longer! And what a controversial ending that was anyway, necessitating a rematch and who didn't show up for that again?

Even just that small list of fighters were comparable to the 90's contenders.

Morrison
Grant
Botha
Holyfield
McCall
Rahman
Briggs
Tua
90's Tyson
Ruddock

There's 10 of LEwis' TOP opponents.

Great fighters, top boxers, yet I see not a whole lot of difference between them and Wladimir/Vitali's toppest opponents and several of the other newest contenders like Wilder and Jennings for instance.

Let's try match some up if you think they were so superior

I think things reached a kind of pinnacle in the 90's, and if things have faltered at all, it has only been by the slightest margin in reality, and that would only be that there were maybe several more decent opponents in the 90's (the true golden era) than there are now. That's not complete superiority in my book.

[VG_Addict]

I don't know why the Lewis-Vitali fight was controversial. Vitali was bleeding badly, and would have been blind in that eye if the fight continued.

[Max Power]

Tell us how those fighters would be at the top of other eras.

And again, you say fighters like Gene Tunney, Joe Louis, and Jersey Joe Walcott used their faces as defense, when anyone who know anything about boxing knows that isn't true.

Louis got caught by some ridiculously shit punches that no slick HW today like Byrd or Haye or Wlad would get caught with. Evading those lumbering giants he fought must have been REAL hard work for a champion boxer lol. Tunney's defence was good against guys like Jack fuckin Dempsey! Somehow I think he'd be getting sparked out by the LEapai's of the division today. Walcott was a defensinve fighter, no argument but he was too small to be effective and even still he was no Eddie Chambers!

And that's all you can come up with VG? 3 fighters!

What about 70's Muhammad, Frazier, Marciano, practically every other boxer! Why do you think you LIKE those eras so much? It's because they took chances which either succeeded (the opponent got punched) or failed (they got punched) and it was a slug fest. They could tolerate the punches and so it went back and forth all night. That's what you LOVED about boxing.

Well I'm sorry, times changed. Boxers got smarter and try not to get hurt more now.

Chris Byrd sparring in something like an 8 foot square concrete walled ring and learned to bend around shots like they were nothing, David Haye can similarly stand right on the edge and not be assaulted by giant men with really hard and fast punches.

Show me 1... Just a single 1, HW apart from the 90's, apart from Mike Tyson, who can do anything remotely approaching that!

gtfo!

[Max Power]

I don't know why the Lewis-Vitali fight was controversial. Vitali was bleeding badly, and would have been blind in that eye if the fight continued.

Maybe you should watch it again then. Those cuts weren't even caused by clean shots, hence unlucky there.

The whole crowd cheered for Vitali when most ppl initially came to see Lewis! Every commentator on the block, including Big George Foreman and the GOAT analyst himself Larry Merchant agreed that should have been a rematch.

There was about as much controversy as there has EVER been in a hw fight!

[VG_Addict]

If the fight had continued, people would have bitched about how it should have been stopped, because Vitali's eye would have been permanently damaged.

[Mr140]

Wald had a weak chin and there were more then enough big punches to end him with more skills. Shit Holyfeild at 48 could of held a belt again if he was not robbed of it in this era. Rahman was actually able knock out Lewis and Sanders the man to make Wald look like shit and knocked him cold and Lewis the older version that ripped Vatilis face to peaces and was coming on strong. Who the fuck has Wald fought who would not lose to Sanders i think he gives them all a run for there money. Also the Brothers have power but not really one punch power they wear guys down so Wald could be rushed. Vatili was peak and Lewis was few months away from 38 and was worth 150 million and came in at fucking 257 very high weight for him the highest he ever weighed. I am just saying this era is not very strong after the brothers really i would say 80's strong really not much better the 90's eclipses this era really.

[Max Power]

If the fight had continued, people would have bitched about how it should have been stopped, because Vitali's eye would have been permanently damaged.

I never said the fight should not have been stopped and LEwis awarded the win. I agree.

I said that the fight was highly controversial as to who was the better boxer and required a rematch.

The fact that ppl are still arguing over TKO6 today makes it pretty obvious it was controversial. I kind of place myself middle ground on that issue, I can see it from both sides and really both are 2 of the most tremendous HW's of all time!

I can't stand it when either side tries to sell either Vitali OR Lewis short.

[Max Power]

Wald had a weak chin and there were more then enough big punches to end him with more skills. Shit Holyfeild at 48 could of held a belt again if he was not robbed of it in this era. Rahman was actually able knock out Lewis and Sanders the man to make Wald look like shit and knocked him cold and Lewis the older version that ripped Vatilis face to peaces and was coming on strong. Who the fuck has Wald fought who would not lose to Sanders i think he gives them all a run for there money. Also the Brothers have power but not really one punch power they wear guys down so Wald could be rushed. Vatili was peak and Lewis was few months away from 38 and was worth 150 million and came in at fucking 257 very high weight for him the highest he ever weighed. I am just saying this era is not very strong after the brothers really i would say 80's strong really not much better the 90's eclipses this era really.

Yeah Wlad could have been sparked out by them, no argument there, just like McCall and Rahman got Lewis. They've both been sparked by an equal percent with regards to how many fights they had. That doesn't mean either of them are lesser boxers to the guys that got them.

Sanders I rate very highly, there's no guarantee that was his best opponent though. Wlad got Rahman who got Sanders. Sanders got beat by guys WAY worse than Wlad, what a stupid comment. And what's more, how many of Lewis' opponents actually fought Sander's.. Rahman? Gee that's representative. Who's to say that Sanders couldn't beat most of them either? Or maybe get lucky against Lewis? He was good enough! Sanders would also punch his way to the top of the earlier eras.

Vitali might be more of an accumulation arm puncher sure but Wladimir is maybe the most powerful right hand puncher of all time. Your crazy, look at those things! If opponents take those it's because they are very solid boxers, again his shorter opponents who are not slick tend to be chubby because they need to be to take the punch.

Vitali was not peak, he got better and Lewis had the experience of all of his career behind him which is worth more than ANY other statistic, even weight to a large factor! And Lewis came in only 5 lbs heftier than usual at JUST OVER 250 I believe so don't exaggerate, he looked to be among the best versions of Lewis to me and claimed himself to be feeling terrific. Why do you think Lewis retired, he seen the destruction that followed and thought "fuck that shit!"

Having said all that I do believe the 90's was still the golden era but the benchmark is not a whole lot higher than it is now.

The 90's was considerd crap at the time I remember. Now the 00's is beginning to get some credit too and the 10's is regarded as the worst.

[Mr140]

Lewis was planning on retiring before the rematch with Tyson went through i am pretty sure he was done with boxing what else did he have to prove. Rahman thing does not really work with me because that was way after his peak he had not had a great win in a while. How do i know Vatili has got any better really i mean there has been no one close to Lewis for him to fight Corrie Sanders is his best win and he was mostly a golfer then a boxer when he fought the brothers look at his fighting schedule. Walds best win is what Haye maybe whose best wins are that english dude and Gaint who got a huge gift against a fucking 48 year old Holyfeild who been fighting 26 years shit pisses me off should got that belt and retried. Wald opponents are not really better then Sanders and as for Vatili who is even close to Lewis that he has fought so i can see how he has gotten better really.

[Max Power]

Wladimir fought the most diverse opponents of all styles and all shapes and styles of any HW boxer all time. I dunno where your even coming from with that!

And as for Vitali and Lewis, we can flip the reasoning on its head there. How do you know Lewis was really better based on that fight because he never faced an opponent anywhere near as good as that before!

Shit reasoning either way imo.

You say the same as all the other "Lewtards" do in that fight. Oh he was planning on retirement anyway. He took the fucking fight! He was confident, he declared himself ready, he looked as good as ever, he was ONLY 37 and he only weighed in a few lbs heavier than usual which at Lewis' size, means pretty much jack shit and might have even been beneficial. Just speculating here now, but that extra chub could have made the difference between him winning TKO6 or getting wasted!

They are both very equivalent and 2 of the best HW's of all time. I would tell the story toa "Klittard" too if they dissed Lewis or his era!

[Master]

Only 37 having achieved Olympic gold medal, unified the division with all the politics involved beat everyone there was realistically available. Yes Lewis was old and secure.

[Mr140]

Yea Max Wald just faced the best there has ever been give me break dude just please. As for Lewis he was almost 38 few months away worth 150 mil and was saying he was retiring. He was going to fight Tyson but fell through for the money but fought Vatili and mad his face look like a vag and retired that is all i can say man. Who is it that was better then Sanders that Wald has fought can you give me some names and as far as the older Brother how can you really see growth when the comp is no were close to the guy who beat him it is a hard thing to do my friend not easy at all.