Is Mayweather a all time great?

[bradlee180]

Care to name 20 guys who deserved to be ranked above Mayweather p4p of all time?

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Manny Pacquiao
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes

[palmerq]

I think if mayweather is not rated as an all time great then it's impossible to be rated as an atg in this generation... Not sure what else he can do, he's 37 and still beating guys who gain 18.5 pounds after the weigh in whilst floyd is only gaining 2.. It was a tough fight for sure but I dont think it can be branded as a robbery at all.. He has a great record and even though he is small for a welterweight he even went up to 154(well 152 really :S) and beat the highly rated/hyped, young and huge alvarez.. Mayweather is top class and still going great.. Maybe he didn't get every huge fight made but it does take a lot of people to make the fights not just the fighters, with all the promoter and management nonsense I think floyds done fine with the guys he's taken on....


I don't know enough about boxing history to say where he would rank but he has looked pretty great to me, just my opinion though

[IamInuit]

I think if mayweather is not rated as an all time great then it's impossible to be rated as an atg in this generation...

Perfected stated. I'll take it a step further and I dont even like the prick as a human being but the notion of Mayweather not being an atg begs the question then of just what is an all time great period not just in this era. If you dont like the guy or think he ducked a guy over 15 years well fine but to debate this for me would be as daft as the premise that's he's not an atg. I try to keep a lid on it but ffs some of this stuff is off the charts. The owner of this site might want to think about implementing a basic IQ test before activating.

[Beanflicker]

Care to name 20 guys who deserved to be ranked above Mayweather p4p of all time?

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Manny Pacquiao
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes

Of course, great list. Mayweather's opposition could never compare to the opposition of those guys LOL

[Max Power]

Bradlee come on man... All those guys rank better than Money lb for lb ATG

You gotta be joking!!!

Had you wanted to promote someone like Ray Robinson based on his record or Ray Leonard on his talent I can respect that but a lot of that list is ridiculous.

[Otley]

Gayweather is a over priced prima donnas.... He prances around nobodies and hand picks these shop bought to suit....he is boring to watch and I can't remember the last time I did not fall a sleep watching this crock of rubbish....he's a big baby who spits his dummy when he cant get his own way😤

All Time Great....don't be ridiculous.... How old are you 12?


Job Biscuit (put that in Yer pipe and smoke it)!!!

eh eh!!

[powerpuncher]

Care to name 20 guys who deserved to be ranked above Mayweather p4p of all time?

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Manny Pacquiao
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes

you had me thinking that you knew what you were talking about until 1)you put pac at #9 which is a red flag that you are a huge pac fan which means you hate floyd. even if somehow you ranked pac above floyd, there is no way to justify ranking him that much higher, and 2)there are names on your list i believe you are just naming because you have just heard they were good. for example, im a huge ike williams fan but he isnt even a top 5 lightweight of all time let alone better than floyd. and sanchez died at the age of 23 (i think), and yes he had good wins but didnt have a long enough career, enough signature wins or even look as good as floyd to claim that he was better. there are some others on your list that i could dispute too but it would be way too long.

[Vendettos]

Care to name 20 guys who deserved to be ranked above Mayweather p4p of all time?

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Manny Pacquiao
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali <~~~~I rate Floyd higher
4. Joe Louis <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
5. Roberto Duran <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
8. Benny Leonard <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
9. Manny Pacquiao <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
11. Carlos Monzon <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
12. Rocky Marciano <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher - HAHAHA Marciano 12th of all time? Lmao.
13. Ezzard Charles <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
14. Archie Moore <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
15. Sandy Saddler <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
20. Alexis Arguello <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
21. Barney Ross <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
22. Evander Holyfield <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
23. Ike Williams <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
24. Salvador Sanchez <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
25. George Foreman <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
26. Kid Gavilian <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
27. Larry Holmes <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher


Just my opinion, and I don't even like Floyd.

But Marciano ? That's not right.

[powerpuncher]

Care to name 20 guys who deserved to be ranked above Mayweather p4p of all time?

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Manny Pacquiao
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali <~~~~I rate Floyd higher
4. Joe Louis <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
5. Roberto Duran <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
8. Benny Leonard <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
9. Manny Pacquiao <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
11. Carlos Monzon <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
12. Rocky Marciano <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher - HAHAHA Marciano 12th of all time? Lmao.
13. Ezzard Charles <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
14. Archie Moore <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
15. Sandy Saddler <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
20. Alexis Arguello <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
21. Barney Ross <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
22. Evander Holyfield <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
23. Ike Williams <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
24. Salvador Sanchez <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
25. George Foreman <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
26. Kid Gavilian <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
27. Larry Holmes <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher


Just my opinion, and I don't even like Floyd.

But Marciano ? That's not right.

You rate Floyd higher than Ali and Louis but not Dempsey?

[powerpuncher]

i dont understand how anybody thinks that floyd beats hearns. hearns is too long and has too good of a jab. he is also very fast. hearns completely outboxed leonard for their fight and the only reason that leonard won was because he came right at him. leonard had amazing speed and great power. floyd wouldnt have the power to keep hearns off of him.

[Mr140]

Demsey didn't even fight the best people because good amount of them were black so he not on any of my lists he even admits to the shit. The only fighters i would rate over Mayweather in the past 25 years of fighting are the Following Holyfeild and Lewis. Reason for Lewis is because he was one of the best Heavyweights to ever walk the planet and avenged his losses and beat the shit out the next generation Champ making his a face a fucking Vag. As for Holyfeild most talk about pound for pound a lot around here but Holyfeild despite starting at 175 went on to beat hof in his 12th fight and become invincible at cw then went up to heavyweight in its deepest era and beat damn near everyone while being out weight 20 to 40 pounds. You can point at his lose but most of them were after he was 40 if Mayweather stays in the game till he is 48 years old he gonna have that 0 erased. Let me say i hold hw division in high regard and that fact that Holyfeild Moved up and is consider by most to be a top 10 atg hw says alot to me. but thats just how i feel i am open to debate as long as we don't bash the greats now and of yesteryear please.

[Max Power]

Demsey didn't even fight the best people because good amount of them were black so he not on any of my lists he even admits to the shit. The only fighters i would rate over Mayweather in the past 25 years of fighting are the Following Holyfeild and Lewis. Reason for Lewis is because he was one of the best Heavyweights to ever walk the planet and avenged his losses and beat the shit out the next generation Champ making his a face a fucking Vag. As for Holyfeild most talk about pound for pound a lot around here but Holyfeild despite starting at 175 went on to beat hof in his 12th fight and become invincible at cw then went up to heavyweight in its deepest era and beat damn near everyone while being out weight 20 to 40 pounds. You can point at his lose but most of them were after he was 40 if Mayweather stays in the game till he is 48 years old he gonna have that 0 erased. Let me say i hold hw division in high regard and that fact that Holyfeild Moved up and is consider by most to be a top 10 atg hw says alot to me. but thats just how i feel i am open to debate as long as we don't bash the greats now and of yesteryear please.

Right, here I agree with you completely about Dempsey. in fact I would go so far as to say he was a bum champion. That's right a bum! His career has been described as all "smoke and mirrors" by some very knowlegable people (mates of mine lol).

And sure Holyfield is understandable, his performance at CW has been unparalleled and subsequently winning the HW title 4 times in that era qualifies him. But Lewis, although my favourite HW and possibly the best one there ever has been, does not qualify for a lb for lb greatness.

HW boxing and limited weight division boxing are kind of like different sports, the game is the same but the nature of being able to come in all shapes and sizes makes the playing field necessarily complicated and sometimes unfair!

Holyfield yes, Lennox no, Dempsey HELL no, Mayweather probably number 1 (that is if the gimp can prove he can beat Pac!)

[Max Power]

Oscar De La Hoya is also one of the toppest boxers.

34 is not old for a boxer these days, hasn't been for a long time.

mid 30's is the NATURAL PRIME of a boxer! Now they are allowed to reach it!

As for Hearns power, do you really think that he could hit harder than some of the opponents of Mayweather? Seriously, take a look at them.

Take a REAL good look at Hearns and then guys like Alvarez. You bring those guys in to fight Floyd at a catch weight (lb for lb) and you will see what I mean.

Also let's not forget a very important issue for this topic. What was THEN considered a certain weight range, TODAY is in actual fact about 2 weight ranges below, Why? Because of the weigh in process and the dehydration they now undertake.

I think you overrate the admittedly great talents of Hearns (I in fact declared that remember) but most strikingly you have devastatingly underrated the abilities of Mayweather!

The guys a dick but please I have never seen such incredible skills.

And Benitez please, PLEASE! How can you compare the levels there!

[Mr140]

Hearns carried his power all the way through to cw the man was a legit champ at Lhw. Jmm is a 40 year old man who weighed less then Hearns had less reach and power and laid out fucking Pac like he killed him i thought he was dead. Who has Pac koed besides Cotto who was a prime contender at 147 i mean he really has not am i wrong. As for the Ginger Kid he his best win is Trout close fight and then lost every fucking round to Mayweather so how good he is i do not know. Bentiez is closer to Mayweathers skill then you think and Leonard destroyed him who is close to Leonard that Mayweather has beat. Oscar was a part time fighter at the time look what he went on to do after words not mention he lost a lot of his big fights yet he gave Mayweather hell with his reach and jab something Leonard and Hearns were better at.

[Vendettos]

Care to name 20 guys who deserved to be ranked above Mayweather p4p of all time?

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Manny Pacquiao
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali <~~~~I rate Floyd higher
4. Joe Louis <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
5. Roberto Duran <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
8. Benny Leonard <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
9. Manny Pacquiao <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
11. Carlos Monzon <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
12. Rocky Marciano <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher - HAHAHA Marciano 12th of all time? Lmao.
13. Ezzard Charles <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
14. Archie Moore <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
15. Sandy Saddler <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
20. Alexis Arguello <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
21. Barney Ross <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
22. Evander Holyfield <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
23. Ike Williams <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
24. Salvador Sanchez <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
25. George Foreman <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
26. Kid Gavilian <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher
27. Larry Holmes <~~~~ I rate Floyd higher


Just my opinion, and I don't even like Floyd.

But Marciano ? That's not right.

You rate Floyd higher than Ali and Louis but not Dempsey?

I most certainly do rate him higher than Dempsey, I musta missed him, you'd be surprised the amount of copy n paste I had to do in that post lol.