Hbo:cotto v martinez

[Ron Swanson]

Where do you find the post fight presser?

[Kirkland Laing]

Yea sergio should have retired legs gone can't punch with power, chavez fight was his swan song

He's making money. Him and his people knew his knees weren't up to it coming into this fight but this is a big pension payday for him. You can't blame him. He hasn't got the movement he once had and is getting wobbled by punches he wouldn't have taken pre injuries.

I think that's a stretch, he doesn't strike the sort to simply come in for payday. His pride and ego have gotten him in trouble prior and its taken the post injury to make him see the extent of it. But he sure as shat didn't just come in for a pension and excepting hes at the end

All over.

You've forgotten more about boxing that I know but they must have known his mobility wasn't what it was before. Maybe once he'd signed the contract he didn't want to back out in case he'd have to pay previous earned money out or he thought it'd be alright on the night.

He's a long time retired though. The payday must have played into the calculations.

Mayweather-Cotto on deck.

Fighter knows himself beyond a corner or yesmen, for sure. Boxers fight for money and prize fighting. But the way he has conducted himself in and out of the ring...fighting when hit, hurt and down on numerous occasions...I cannot buy at all he cashed out and doubted himself. No need for that

Why not? He's not made of money. He's a long time retired. He wouldn't be the first guy to cash in on his name would he?

A man who has cashed out mentally does not stand and slug repeatedly and get off the canvas multiple times. Listen to me...sounding like I know when a fighter gives up.

They must have known he wasn't what he was before but they thought fuck it, let's give it what we've got.

Cotto is the hottest property in boxing right now. Mayweather and Alvarez will both be after the next fight. $$$$$. He hasn't signed to Top Rank has he? He's still a free agent after this fight?

[beenKOed]

You could see from the off that Martinez had little movement and that he had no way fight in his usual style. In fact, I don't think Martinez should have been fighting seeing how weak his movement was. His style is all about being unorthodox, with movement, and landing hard shots with the power from the legs. I don't think I saw a power shot land. I don't give Cotto much credit for that, he picked his way to a title, and most would look good against this 39 year old Martinez.

Step up Cotto and beat a fighter in his prime for ooh maybe the first time in half a decade. I feel sorry for Martinez, but he shouldn't have fought. He must have known his condition, he is smart. Little credit for that.

If you fight you get paid, and I don't blame him for grabbing this last payday.
I didn't see the fight but from what you guys described, Martinez was dead in the water, no steering, no power, and no fuel.
I'll remember him the way he looked In the second Williams fight.
Good for Cotto, I hope he makes the the most of his win.
I like both those fighters and wasn't looking forward to seeing either one of them losing.

[Gandalf]

You could see from the off that Martinez had little movement and that he had no way fight in his usual style. In fact, I don't think Martinez should have been fighting seeing how weak his movement was. His style is all about being unorthodox, with movement, and landing hard shots with the power from the legs. I don't think I saw a power shot land. I don't give Cotto much credit for that, he picked his way to a title, and most would look good against this 39 year old Martinez.

Step up Cotto and beat a fighter in his prime for ooh maybe the first time in half a decade. I feel sorry for Martinez, but he shouldn't have fought. He must have known his condition, he is smart. Little credit for that.

If you fight you get paid, and I don't blame him for grabbing this last payday.
I didn't see the fight but from what you guys described, Martinez was dead in the water, no steering, no power, and no fuel.
I'll remember him the way he looked In the second Williams fight.
Good for Cotto, I hope he makes the the most of his win.
I like both those fighters and wasn't looking forward to seeing either one of them losing.

For sure, you fight to get paid, and I don't have an issue with that. It was just a shock to see how bad Martinez looked. Martinez literally had no legs and I presume the Cotto team knew that would be so. That first round was odd, he had no coordination in those legs, and it just looked wrong.

Fair play to Cotto looking sharp and making no mistakes, but I don't think Martinez would have looked even average against most top fighters in this state. It was very apparent how much those legs have meant to his career. A year is a long time and in boxing terms a year is a lifetime and multiple surgeries and age is the story of this fight rather than Cotto being a new MW superhero.

[TitoFan]

I think it's safe to say Martinez was not at 100% without shitting all over Cotto's superb effort. No one forced Sergio to take the fight. In all appearances leading up to the fight, Sergio pronounced himself much more ready physically than for the Murray fight. True, there's gonna be a bit of "poker hand" playing in there... but he didn't come into the fight on crutches. And Cotto didn't punch Martinez in the knee. He beat the shit out of him in the very first round. It was clear that Martinez was not expecting to be hit that hard by Cotto. Miguel employed every tool in his arsenal. Power, speed, boxing skills... everything. And credit must be given to Roach. He appears to be getting the best out of Cotto, whose career has been revitalized.


It's too damn easy to dismiss a fighter's great moments by trashing the quality of the other guy. But Sergio is a full-blown middleweight, with the speed and the power to have knocked out many a fellow middleweight. Yes... he's near the end of his career. Yes, his knee has never been the same. This is hardly Cotto's fault. As for Cotto "picking"... give me a break. You can make just as much a case for Martinez picking. Cotto is a welterweight body fighting in the middleweight division. And yet he showed the power to hurt a Sergio that has been hit by much bigger guys.


So how about a bow to both guys? Sergio showed nothing but class after the fight, refusing to blame his knee. Instead, his cornerman did it for him. Yeah... the knee acted up on him. Probably helped along by the barrage of punches Cotto rained on him from the very first round.

[Beanflicker]

Cotto for sure looks great, but Martinez was ripe for the picking at this point in his career and I think we all know that. He's had too many injuries and taken way too much punishment in his last few fights.

[Silkeyjoe]

Only saw the 1st 3 rounds. 1st round KDs came from nothing punches. Cotto fought well but Martinez had nothin left. Shame. I'd say Alvarez will go for Cotto next.

[DannyV297]

Martinez is done. Props to cotto but Sergio flight like a straight bitxh. Cotto deserved a win and Sergio earned a retirement.

[Maravilla2012]

Martinez is one of my favorites fighters he was great in he's prime. Taking nothing for Cotto he had a great game plan and look better then he ever has and he deserved the win great showing by him. He has big pay day fights set up for him now. Great fight by him

[IamInuit]

Oh how sour the grapes are. People picked against Cotto regardless of Martinez's issues and now that he got thumped he's shot. People claimed Cotto was more shot then he was but now that Cotto kicked his ass .....bla bla bla.

[Violent Demise]

Oh how sour the grapes are. People picked against Cotto regardless of Martinez's issues and now that he got thumped he's shot. People claimed Cotto was more shot then he was but now that Cotto kicked his ass .....bla bla bla.

Martinez looked to be 100% to you?

[IamInuit]

Oh how sour the grapes are. People picked against Cotto regardless of Martinez's issues and now that he got thumped he's shot. People claimed Cotto was more shot then he was but now that Cotto kicked his ass .....bla bla bla.

Martinez looked to be 100% to you?

No and I said on many occasion on here that the past of both evened this fight out but now that the wrong guy won its only the one that lost who was long in the tooth.

[Maravilla2012]

Martinez issue was hes knees which has nothing to do with the way he couldnt get away from Cottos left hook. Almost every hook he threw landed and Martinez could do nothing to get away from it. Even if he was 100% Cotto would still be landing those hooks. He was aggressive when he had to be and patient when he had to be. Props to Cotto. Hope Martinez retires he had a late start and still manged to have a great career great fighter lots of heart for wanting to stay in it.

[Silkeyjoe]

Oh how sour the grapes are. People picked against Cotto regardless of Martinez's issues and now that he got thumped he's shot. People claimed Cotto was more shot then he was but now that Cotto kicked his ass .....bla bla bla.

Martinez looked to be 100% to you?

No and I said on many occasion on here that the past of both evened this fight out but now that the wrong guy won its only the one that lost who was long in the tooth.

Well clearly we didnt know how shot he was! He had surgery, I thought he would recover. I was wrong, his legs were gone, his movement was poor, and he got KD with glancing shots.

[bradlee180]

Dammit, sounds like I missed quite a fight.

Just found out the result a few minutes ago.
Like we discussed, it was an intriguing match-up and difficult to predict because of all the variables.