Somebody show me when Sergios knee fell apart

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I'm re-watching the fight now and what I've noticed is that Martinez is never on his toes. Even in the first round he's on shifting his weight from the middle of his foot to the back of his heel. He's strangely awkward with his feet. He appears to be very mobile but if you look at Cotto he's always pushing off with his toes but Martinez is all middle of the foot and heel with almost no weight being put on the toes and by extension no weight being put on the knees. That explains why he was so easy to knock down. Your toes are your balance if you aren't using them then it's quite easy to knock you over.

After re-watching the Williams fights as well as the Cintron fight I can see that Martinez was up on his toes and using them for movement as well as for power when punching. That just isn't there in the Cotto fight. So there may not have been a point in the fight where Martinez injured his knee...infact there may not have been a new injury to his knee at all. But his behaviour in the Cotto fight suggests that he didn't have the same confidence in his abilities that he used to. He fought differently and he paid for it.

Exactly. The injuries were old ones and many on both hands and knees, and certainly in terms of lower body activity, it was a seriously depleted Martinez. It was a shell of the fighter he was. With Ali it was brain and body not working in line towards the end, here it was the entire lower body of Martinez. Martinez is as sharp as ever mentally, but his body is gone.

Sure...Sergio was depleted.

I bet if GG did that to Sergio you wouldn't be taking that depleted shit.

As a matter of fact you'd be all "I don't wanna' here shit about Martinez' knee...GG is just a beast"

Without a doubt.

[Gandalf]

I'm re-watching the fight now and what I've noticed is that Martinez is never on his toes. Even in the first round he's on shifting his weight from the middle of his foot to the back of his heel. He's strangely awkward with his feet. He appears to be very mobile but if you look at Cotto he's always pushing off with his toes but Martinez is all middle of the foot and heel with almost no weight being put on the toes and by extension no weight being put on the knees. That explains why he was so easy to knock down. Your toes are your balance if you aren't using them then it's quite easy to knock you over.

After re-watching the Williams fights as well as the Cintron fight I can see that Martinez was up on his toes and using them for movement as well as for power when punching. That just isn't there in the Cotto fight. So there may not have been a point in the fight where Martinez injured his knee...infact there may not have been a new injury to his knee at all. But his behaviour in the Cotto fight suggests that he didn't have the same confidence in his abilities that he used to. He fought differently and he paid for it.

Exactly. The injuries were old ones and many on both hands and knees, and certainly in terms of lower body activity, it was a seriously depleted Martinez. It was a shell of the fighter he was. With Ali it was brain and body not working in line towards the end, here it was the entire lower body of Martinez. Martinez is as sharp as ever mentally, but his body is gone.

Sure...Sergio was depleted.

I bet if GG did that to Sergio you wouldn't be taking that depleted shit.

As a matter of fact you'd be all "I don't wanna' here shit about Martinez' knee...GG is just a beast"

Without a doubt.

I've seen Cotto at his best. He didn't suddenly become immaculate on the Roach wonder camp against Martinez. Provodnikov today showed Roach for what he is, a man that seldom improves fighters. Cotto was the same Cotto and Martinez was shot from the waist down. That was the obvious difference.

Stick Cotto in against GG and see what happens. It will answer most of the questions.

[IamInuit]

I'm re-watching the fight now and what I've noticed is that Martinez is never on his toes. Even in the first round he's on shifting his weight from the middle of his foot to the back of his heel. He's strangely awkward with his feet. He appears to be very mobile but if you look at Cotto he's always pushing off with his toes but Martinez is all middle of the foot and heel with almost no weight being put on the toes and by extension no weight being put on the knees. That explains why he was so easy to knock down. Your toes are your balance if you aren't using them then it's quite easy to knock you over.

After re-watching the Williams fights as well as the Cintron fight I can see that Martinez was up on his toes and using them for movement as well as for power when punching. That just isn't there in the Cotto fight. So there may not have been a point in the fight where Martinez injured his knee...infact there may not have been a new injury to his knee at all. But his behaviour in the Cotto fight suggests that he didn't have the same confidence in his abilities that he used to. He fought differently and he paid for it.

Exactly. The injuries were old ones and many on both hands and knees, and certainly in terms of lower body activity, it was a seriously depleted Martinez. It was a shell of the fighter he was. With Ali it was brain and body not working in line towards the end, here it was the entire lower body of Martinez. Martinez is as sharp as ever mentally, but his body is gone.

Sure...Sergio was depleted.

I bet if GG did that to Sergio you wouldn't be taking that depleted shit.

As a matter of fact you'd be all "I don't wanna' here shit about Martinez' knee...GG is just a beast"

Without a doubt.

I've seen Cotto at his best. He didn't suddenly become immaculate on the Roach wonder camp against Martinez. Provodnikov today showed Roach for what he is, a man that seldom improves fighters. Cotto was the same Cotto and Martinez was shot from the waist down. That was the obvious difference.

Stick Cotto in against GG and see what happens. It will answer most of the questions.

This is just silly and somebody needs to kill the horse instead of beating it. Nobody is saying that Martinez was 100%. Had he been Cotto would have never taken the fight. That should be obvious to just about anyone. Martinez has been on the slide for more then two years. Barker broke his nose and was out boxing him until he gassed out.

Matinez's legs were starting to go long before his knee problems and if anything his new bionic knee actually preserved what career he had left. Now the fact of the matter is, he had no issues with the knee or anything else related and that's what he said after the fight. He then went to the hospital and they cleared him of any injury to his knee or hands. I'm not sure how many facts people need.

Its also ludicrous to suggest that Roach did nothing to improve him because Provo's 15 minutes of fame elapsed. George Benton couldn't train that plodder how to box but many myself included still took him to steamroll Algieri nonetheless.

Cotto won because he was the fresher fighter and had a trainer that knows southpaws. That was obvious also by the number of right hands Cotto landed. Cotto executed a perfect game plan and steered Martinez to his left the entire fight inside.

[Gandalf]

You miss the fact that Martinez was moving the wrong way because his leg wouldn't go that way. Why else would you walk into Cotto hooks round after round? All things considered Martinez fought well, but realistically, even in the best of health, Cotto was still fighting a man of 39.

Cotto gets props for the win to a small degree, but to back it up, he needs to fight someone young and hungry.