Iraq

[Gandalf]

Very sound advice. If one wants these wars, then sign up for them and orchestrate them, but Lyle doesn't want any of that. I think most people are against war because they know the horror that it causes on both sides and these days the lies that the war starters are typically using to justify war. Only sociopaths shield themselves from the horror and lies whilst urging it on. The rest sign up because there are no prospects back home. 'Saddam had to go' is one we constantly hear, but these other people stay home, argue that they need their guns, and yet tolerate Bush and Obama, but Saddam had to go? It's an argument that makes no sense. Saddam did not try to change 4 dozen regimes since WW2. They have all these guns, but do nothing about the real global tyranny.

[IamInuit]

Its a lost cause. Just let them have at it. Its a cultural/tribal war that has went on long before Iraq ever became a country err puppet.

Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting different results is not reason, its the very definition of insanity.

[El Kabong]

Its a lost cause.

Well it is now....Mr. Peace Prize made sure of that

[Kirkland Laing]

Its a lost cause.

Well it is now....Mr. Peace Prize made sure of that

No he didn't. The withdrawl of all American forces by the end of 2012 was a signed and sealed deal before he took office. That's another of those inconvenient "facts" that you refuse to accept.

[Dia bando]

When dictatorships were ruling everybody was unhappy, now they have a vote everybody is
killing each other, what a price democracy a heavy one.

[IamInuit]

When dictatorships were ruling everybody was unhappy, now they have a vote everybody is
killing each other, what a price dumocresie a heavy one.

And look at Egypt. A complete 360 back to Mubarak.

[IamInuit]

Its a lost cause.

Well it is now....Mr. Peace Prize made sure of that

You and I both know that these people could care less who the President is or what banner they wear. These people murder and kill their neighbours and then fry their dicks for supper.

Its time to just let the barbarians sort it out. The press should not even report on this shit and turn the cameras off and then check in after a few decades. Its almost physical proof for perpetual motion.

Democracy simply cannot be forced down peoples throats. We cant even sort out what it means in our own countries. Its not a solution for every political problem and is simply unacceptable for certain societies. We need to stay out of it period and wash our hands of it. Their system has not changed in 5000 years. The even emigrate to our countries to escape it and then attempt to embrace it.

[Beanflicker]

These people murder and kill their neighbours and then fry their dicks for supper.

I have to agree. It always made me laugh when people got on their high horse and started babbling about "ya know, they're only violent because Americans stuck their nose in their business, yankee imperialists, yadda yadda".

These savages are murdering their own people over there by the thousands. And you have affiliated groups like the Boko Haram kidnapping children and slaughtering their own innocent people by the thousands in Africa.

These groups need to be dealt with with brute force.

[Kirkland Laing]

These people murder and kill their neighbours and then fry their dicks for supper.

I have to agree. It always made me laugh when people got on their high horse and started babbling about "ya know, they're only violent because Americans stuck their nose in their business, yankee imperialists, yadda yadda".

These savages are murdering their own people over there by the thousands. And you have affiliated groups like the Boko Haram kidnapping children and slaughtering their own innocent people by the thousands in Africa.

These groups need to be dealt with with brute force.

We tried that ten years ago. How well did it work?

[Beanflicker]

We tried that ten years ago. How well did it work?

When I say brute force, I mean BRUTE force. No R.O.E's, just a brutal fight to the finish.

[El Kabong]

Its a lost cause.

Well it is now....Mr. Peace Prize made sure of that

You and I both know that these people could care less who the President is or what banner they wear. These people murder and kill their neighbours and then fry their dicks for supper.

Its time to just let the barbarians sort it out. The press should not even report on this shit and turn the cameras off and then check in after a few decades. Its almost physical proof for perpetual motion.

Democracy simply cannot be forced down peoples throats. We cant even sort out what it means in our own countries. Its not a solution for every political problem and is simply unacceptable for certain societies. We need to stay out of it period and wash our hands of it. Their system has not changed in 5000 years. The even emigrate to our countries to escape it and then attempt to embrace it.

I agree to an extent and here's why we're (the Western nations) having trouble with the Middle East

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpnFeyMGUs8


The West = Laws & Rules invented by REASON

And of course the clip is more about economics rather than politics but those are so closely tied

[IamInuit]

Its a lost cause.

Well it is now....Mr. Peace Prize made sure of that

You and I both know that these people could care less who the President is or what banner they wear. These people murder and kill their neighbours and then fry their dicks for supper.

Its time to just let the barbarians sort it out. The press should not even report on this shit and turn the cameras off and then check in after a few decades. Its almost physical proof for perpetual motion.

Democracy simply cannot be forced down peoples throats. We cant even sort out what it means in our own countries. Its not a solution for every political problem and is simply unacceptable for certain societies. We need to stay out of it period and wash our hands of it. Their system has not changed in 5000 years. The even emigrate to our countries to escape it and then attempt to embrace it.

I agree to an extent and here's why we're (the Western nations) having trouble with the Middle East

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpnFeyMGUs8


The West = Laws & Rules invented by REASON

And of course the clip is more about economics rather than politics but those are so closely tied

Well exactly but these people probably done even know who the likes of Socrates, Plato or Aristotle are. The concept of "reason" cannot even be a starting point in this eternal nightmare. I mean according to them, its our REASON that makes us weak and enemies of Islam and therefore God.
This has been the case since time and memorial. Its simply not going to change and the grandchildren of your grandchildren are going to be having this same conversation while we in the West continue to send in armies and play musical leaders.

Through all of the advancements in science and technology, justice and ethics since the industrial revolution we still have men in some of these countries that take dumps in pails and then poke around it looking for the rebirth of Muhammad. Western arrogance that we are going to somehow enlighten them is certifiable to the point of rivaling the very insanity we continue to try and fix.

Imagine a scientist in a lab repeating the same experiment for 75 years and expecting different results? Reasonable?

You know El I've actually considered a rather extreme thought..........Nuke the works. I thought about Truman's reasoning. By doing so we end the insanity that will not ever end and it most likely saves more lives in the long run. To bad its not an island. To bad all of our situational friends(western friendly barbarians) live so close. To bad about all that dead animal and plant life that resides so close to the surface.

So my conclusion remains. Let them sort it out or their brothers in the area.

[El Kabong]

The "kill them all" idea occurs to many people but I believe that is to say I have the faith that people in general are hungry for knowledge and in feeding that hunger perhaps they can find reason. I believe that the people are less evil than their leadership... the same in Iran