Iraq

[IamInuit]

Its a lost cause.

Well it is now....Mr. Peace Prize made sure of that

You and I both know that these people could care less who the President is or what banner they wear. These people murder and kill their neighbours and then fry their dicks for supper.

Its time to just let the barbarians sort it out. The press should not even report on this shit and turn the cameras off and then check in after a few decades. Its almost physical proof for perpetual motion.

Democracy simply cannot be forced down peoples throats. We cant even sort out what it means in our own countries. Its not a solution for every political problem and is simply unacceptable for certain societies. We need to stay out of it period and wash our hands of it. Their system has not changed in 5000 years. The even emigrate to our countries to escape it and then attempt to embrace it.

[Beanflicker]

These people murder and kill their neighbours and then fry their dicks for supper.

I have to agree. It always made me laugh when people got on their high horse and started babbling about "ya know, they're only violent because Americans stuck their nose in their business, yankee imperialists, yadda yadda".

These savages are murdering their own people over there by the thousands. And you have affiliated groups like the Boko Haram kidnapping children and slaughtering their own innocent people by the thousands in Africa.

These groups need to be dealt with with brute force.

[Kirkland Laing]

These people murder and kill their neighbours and then fry their dicks for supper.

I have to agree. It always made me laugh when people got on their high horse and started babbling about "ya know, they're only violent because Americans stuck their nose in their business, yankee imperialists, yadda yadda".

These savages are murdering their own people over there by the thousands. And you have affiliated groups like the Boko Haram kidnapping children and slaughtering their own innocent people by the thousands in Africa.

These groups need to be dealt with with brute force.

We tried that ten years ago. How well did it work?

[Beanflicker]

We tried that ten years ago. How well did it work?

When I say brute force, I mean BRUTE force. No R.O.E's, just a brutal fight to the finish.

[Andre]

IRAQ

[Kirkland Laing]

We tried that ten years ago. How well did it work?

When I say brute force, I mean BRUTE force. No R.O.E's, just a brutal fight to the finish.

They're not an army mate, they're an insurgency. Send hundreds of thousands of troops over there and they just melt into the civilian population.

They tried your option in Vietnam and took out three million civilians and still lost. This is a huge problem but military force as your only weapon is not the answer. It's sending hundreds of thousands of troops into Iraq in 2003 that created ISIS and these Sunni rebel groups in the first place.

[Gandalf]

We tried that ten years ago. How well did it work?

When I say brute force, I mean BRUTE force. No R.O.E's, just a brutal fight to the finish.

This is a prime example of what I find sick.

a) Your pretext for war was a lie. Now when you tell a lie, then that should hit your rep. It didn't happen because of a global protection of real terrorists.

b) You want brute force for who? Oh, Isis, the American funded terrorist group.

On that basis you argue that America needs to be invaded until the finish and you should be killed. I guess you have a disconnect with reality. Ordinary Iraqi's asked for non of this, but you ask for a really brutal finish. You started it and you clearly want to continue it, so you are asking to be killed.

[El Kabong]

So now there is an "Islamic Caliphate"....soooo yeah, thanks Obama, heck of a job asshole

[Gandalf]

And now Israel going mental in Palestine because children living in illegal settlements have been killed.

Israel: 'How dare they kill them!.....We will bomb buildings and your young darklings now too!'
Palestine: 'But you killed hundreds of our kids a few years ago and used chemical weapons. Nobody battered an eyelid either, but when dastardly Isis does it the West lies and blames the other side in Syria. They are nuts. Why did they give psychopaths weapons? I guess the normal hypocrisy. Freedom ya'll. Another is when when a region wants freedom from oppression and Obama gives them weapons, but what about us? We are trampled on. There is clearly no balance in this charade.'

You can kind of see why the West with its own citizens joining terrorist groups and actively inviting in terrorists because of unchecked borders and policies that aim to kill people without any evidence nor trial. Of course it will come home to roost, but this doesn't mean people should lose more freedoms. It means treasonous Western governments need to be held to account. Starting with you Tony Blair, you aging demented toe rag.

[El Kabong]

Its a lost cause.

Well it is now....Mr. Peace Prize made sure of that

You and I both know that these people could care less who the President is or what banner they wear. These people murder and kill their neighbours and then fry their dicks for supper.

Its time to just let the barbarians sort it out. The press should not even report on this shit and turn the cameras off and then check in after a few decades. Its almost physical proof for perpetual motion.

Democracy simply cannot be forced down peoples throats. We cant even sort out what it means in our own countries. Its not a solution for every political problem and is simply unacceptable for certain societies. We need to stay out of it period and wash our hands of it. Their system has not changed in 5000 years. The even emigrate to our countries to escape it and then attempt to embrace it.

I agree to an extent and here's why we're (the Western nations) having trouble with the Middle East

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpnFeyMGUs8


The West = Laws & Rules invented by REASON

And of course the clip is more about economics rather than politics but those are so closely tied

[IamInuit]

Its a lost cause.

Well it is now....Mr. Peace Prize made sure of that

You and I both know that these people could care less who the President is or what banner they wear. These people murder and kill their neighbours and then fry their dicks for supper.

Its time to just let the barbarians sort it out. The press should not even report on this shit and turn the cameras off and then check in after a few decades. Its almost physical proof for perpetual motion.

Democracy simply cannot be forced down peoples throats. We cant even sort out what it means in our own countries. Its not a solution for every political problem and is simply unacceptable for certain societies. We need to stay out of it period and wash our hands of it. Their system has not changed in 5000 years. The even emigrate to our countries to escape it and then attempt to embrace it.

I agree to an extent and here's why we're (the Western nations) having trouble with the Middle East

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpnFeyMGUs8


The West = Laws & Rules invented by REASON

And of course the clip is more about economics rather than politics but those are so closely tied

Well exactly but these people probably done even know who the likes of Socrates, Plato or Aristotle are. The concept of "reason" cannot even be a starting point in this eternal nightmare. I mean according to them, its our REASON that makes us weak and enemies of Islam and therefore God.
This has been the case since time and memorial. Its simply not going to change and the grandchildren of your grandchildren are going to be having this same conversation while we in the West continue to send in armies and play musical leaders.

Through all of the advancements in science and technology, justice and ethics since the industrial revolution we still have men in some of these countries that take dumps in pails and then poke around it looking for the rebirth of Muhammad. Western arrogance that we are going to somehow enlighten them is certifiable to the point of rivaling the very insanity we continue to try and fix.

Imagine a scientist in a lab repeating the same experiment for 75 years and expecting different results? Reasonable?

You know El I've actually considered a rather extreme thought..........Nuke the works. I thought about Truman's reasoning. By doing so we end the insanity that will not ever end and it most likely saves more lives in the long run. To bad its not an island. To bad all of our situational friends(western friendly barbarians) live so close. To bad about all that dead animal and plant life that resides so close to the surface.

So my conclusion remains. Let them sort it out or their brothers in the area.

[El Kabong]

The "kill them all" idea occurs to many people but I believe that is to say I have the faith that people in general are hungry for knowledge and in feeding that hunger perhaps they can find reason. I believe that the people are less evil than their leadership... the same in Iran

[Gandalf]

I think the idea of just 'killing them all' is sinister. Sociopaths should never be encouraged with that kind of talk. We have a situation where we invaded on a false pretext. We are morally in the complete wrong and for people on the Western Allied sides to be talking about 'killing all' is sick too. Yeah, just wipe out the American funded Isis! When you extend these killing obsessions and see what caused Isis, then responsibility obviously has to come back home to the USA and more directly....Obama. Isis is despicable, but Iraq as a problem is miniscule compared to the problem that created Iraq and countless other regime fuck ups post WW2. At least for once let's go after the root, impeach Obama, and try to suggest to the world that America has some remaining decency. Afghanistan finding out its entire communications are tapped too is likely going to inflame things also. There is just so must crookedness, that if someone were to try and impeach Obama, the evidence is far worse than Nixon. This man thinks he is God and all I see is a lazy, dangerous bum with a penchant for golf and slaughter. He needs to be taken away from any scene of influence as he is a menace.

Clean up America first and let's have a better future. Rand Paul as President would be ideal and then America can sit back a little and focus on fixing its own neglected and impoverished nation. The Middle East is our fault, but you cannot intervene forever. Obama being the fool armed terrorists and opened the borders though and for that must take a fall. He probably won't and they will double down as usual. It will be the collapse of America, but it doesn't need to be so. These people are quite demented.