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    Default Re: Lets talk running...

    To me the difference between a "runner" and a "mover" is that a runner is using movement just to survive and remove himself from danger. Running is what Oscar did vs Tito in the last three rounds. It's about survival, and nothing else. That doesn't mean a runner necessarily gives away rounds, but when things get hot the runner gets on his bicycle.

    A mover is a guy who uses his movement for both defence and offence. The mover will slip or step back from danger, use movement to keep his opponent from getting set, but is also simultaneously looking to set up his own offence, usually a counter punch.

    There is a lot of crossover: sometimes a mover will run from a situation, and sometimes a runner will look to set up offence. But I think when you watch a guy you can understand his mentality and get a feel for his style. Runners have the "danger danger, escape this situation and get to a more neutral position" mentality, and movers have the "let me change the range/angle and see if it can be more advantageous to me" mentality.

    Best example is Floyd. People accuse him of being a runner, which I just don't agree with. Floyd will get on his bicycle on occasion, but more often than not he uses his movement to set up a counter, to set a trap.

    There is an art to both, however I think the mover best exemplifies what boxing is about and uses his movement more efficiently.

    And of course, sometimes it's best to just run.

    That's how I always saw it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    To me the difference between a "runner" and a "mover" is that a runner is using movement just to survive and remove himself from danger. Running is what Oscar did vs Tito in the last three rounds. It's about survival, and nothing else. That doesn't mean a runner necessarily gives away rounds, but when things get hot the runner gets on his bicycle.

    A mover is a guy who uses his movement for both defence and offence. The mover will slip or step back from danger, use movement to keep his opponent from getting set, but is also simultaneously looking to set up his own offence, usually a counter punch.

    There is a lot of crossover: sometimes a mover will run from a situation, and sometimes a runner will look to set up offence. But I think when you watch a guy you can understand his mentality and get a feel for his style. Runners have the "danger danger, escape this situation and get to a more neutral position" mentality, and movers have the "let me change the range/angle and see if it can be more advantageous to me" mentality.

    Best example is Floyd. People accuse him of being a runner, which I just don't agree with. Floyd will get on his bicycle on occasion, but more often than not he uses his movement to set up a counter, to set a trap.

    There is an art to both, however I think the mover best exemplifies what boxing is about and uses his movement more efficiently.

    And of course, sometimes it's best to just run.

    That's how I always saw it.
    Floyd will turn the tables and walk you down...Lara NEVER does that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclone View Post
    Floyd will turn the tables and walk you down...Lara NEVER does that.
    For sure, and that's why I would classify Lara as a runner as opposed to a mover.

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    Default Re: Lets talk running...

    Runners will very rarely push the action.

    I think too many movers get labelled as runners. In boxing, you HAVE to move. It's not rock-em sock-em robots. And sometimes you have to run, especially if you're in with a big banger, a guy with an iron chin who will take 4 of your punches to land one, or if you're a feather fisted guy like Paulie.

    As a fan, I don't expect fighters to take stupid risks (although I like when they do, because it makes for more excitement), but there has to be some risk taken in boxing and if you're a guy like Lara, if you're going to run, you have to make sure you're doing enough offensively to dominate rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    Runners will very rarely push the action.

    I think too many movers get labelled as runners. In boxing, you HAVE to move. It's not rock-em sock-em robots. And sometimes you have to run, especially if you're in with a big banger, a guy with an iron chin who will take 4 of your punches to land one, or if you're a feather fisted guy like Paulie.

    As a fan, I don't expect fighters to take stupid risks (although I like when they do, because it makes for more excitement), but there has to be some risk taken in boxing and if you're a guy like Lara, if you're going to run, you have to make sure you're doing enough offensively to dominate rounds.
    Lara played his role to a T.

    He didn't give Canelito anything different to look at.

    Had he come foreward on occasion, Alvarez would have folded like a tent ,because he would have been ill-prepared for that scenario.

    Never did like Lara...he only has one gear...Reverse

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    Default Re: Lets talk running...

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclone View Post
    Had he come foreward on occasion, Alvarez would have folded like a tent ,because he would have been ill-prepared for that scenario.

    Never did like Lara...he only has one gear...Reverse
    RE: "Folded like a tent", "ill-prepared", "only has one gear...Reverse"

    Sounds like a pretty good description of yourself considering how you shamelessly ran from that scorecard challenge. You ain't no cyclone, you're more like a marshmallow blowing in the cyclone.
    "Let's talk running", yep, you sure know about that!
    Meet the challenge, marshmallow.

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