Lets talk running...

[powerpuncher]

i swear that these supposed boxing fans want excitement to be scored in a fight. boxing has no rule against moving around. the winner of the round is the fighter who is more effective. thats it. no more or no less. it doesnt matter how you win. you can call it whatever you want but if running is what makes you win the round then i say run.

this isnt to say that i think that lara was super effective in every round but his "running" did win his some rounds for sure. people need to quit thinking about the excitement or boringness of a fighter while scoring a fight.

[erics44]

After watching the lara fight I believe he only just won on the scorecards but then at the same time he did alot of running and canelo showed great bodywork.

1.How do you define running in the ring?

2. Who were the greatest runners of all time?

3. They say floyd runs alot but is this different compared to laras running, and could lara have just taken a few more aggressive steps to seal the deal against the golden nugget or was this about throwing more accurate power punches?

I am one that usually defends "runners". I mean you have the ring to move around in it. There is a reason it isn't 4 feet by 4 feet. I usually defend defensive fighters specially like floyd. I don't consider him a runner at all. But I think we can all agree Lara took running to a WHOLE NEW LEVEL! lol I was watching the fight thinking I have never seen someone run like that. It literally got to the point where I feel he was scared to exchange and feared canelos power. I am happy canelo got the win. Lara needs to do more.

noooo


laras running is no where near the level of andre dirrels running, not even half way up the andre dirrell mountain of running

[ykdadamaja]

Someone has to make the fight. The aggressor will always be the chaser. Nearly 90% of Mike Tyson's opponents could be considered "runners".

With Floyd Mayweather, he is a runner, but he at least counter-punches off of his running. You just can't follow Floyd around and land shots with nothing in return.

Run or no run, Oscar was cheated of his win of Trinidad. Simple. No trying to give explanations for shit and corrupt judges. Oscar was just flat out robbed. No excuses.

[Beanflicker]

To me the difference between a "runner" and a "mover" is that a runner is using movement just to survive and remove himself from danger. Running is what Oscar did vs Tito in the last three rounds. It's about survival, and nothing else. That doesn't mean a runner necessarily gives away rounds, but when things get hot the runner gets on his bicycle.

A mover is a guy who uses his movement for both defence and offence. The mover will slip or step back from danger, use movement to keep his opponent from getting set, but is also simultaneously looking to set up his own offence, usually a counter punch.

There is a lot of crossover: sometimes a mover will run from a situation, and sometimes a runner will look to set up offence. But I think when you watch a guy you can understand his mentality and get a feel for his style. Runners have the "danger danger, escape this situation and get to a more neutral position" mentality, and movers have the "let me change the range/angle and see if it can be more advantageous to me" mentality.

Best example is Floyd. People accuse him of being a runner, which I just don't agree with. Floyd will get on his bicycle on occasion, but more often than not he uses his movement to set up a counter, to set a trap.

There is an art to both, however I think the mover best exemplifies what boxing is about and uses his movement more efficiently.

And of course, sometimes it's best to just run.

That's how I always saw it.

[cyclone]

To me the difference between a "runner" and a "mover" is that a runner is using movement just to survive and remove himself from danger. Running is what Oscar did vs Tito in the last three rounds. It's about survival, and nothing else. That doesn't mean a runner necessarily gives away rounds, but when things get hot the runner gets on his bicycle.

A mover is a guy who uses his movement for both defence and offence. The mover will slip or step back from danger, use movement to keep his opponent from getting set, but is also simultaneously looking to set up his own offence, usually a counter punch.

There is a lot of crossover: sometimes a mover will run from a situation, and sometimes a runner will look to set up offence. But I think when you watch a guy you can understand his mentality and get a feel for his style. Runners have the "danger danger, escape this situation and get to a more neutral position" mentality, and movers have the "let me change the range/angle and see if it can be more advantageous to me" mentality.

Best example is Floyd. People accuse him of being a runner, which I just don't agree with. Floyd will get on his bicycle on occasion, but more often than not he uses his movement to set up a counter, to set a trap.

There is an art to both, however I think the mover best exemplifies what boxing is about and uses his movement more efficiently.

And of course, sometimes it's best to just run.

That's how I always saw it.

Floyd will turn the tables and walk you down...Lara NEVER does that.

[Beanflicker]

Floyd will turn the tables and walk you down...Lara NEVER does that.

For sure, and that's why I would classify Lara as a runner as opposed to a mover.

[Beanflicker]

Runners will very rarely push the action.

I think too many movers get labelled as runners. In boxing, you HAVE to move. It's not rock-em sock-em robots. And sometimes you have to run, especially if you're in with a big banger, a guy with an iron chin who will take 4 of your punches to land one, or if you're a feather fisted guy like Paulie.

As a fan, I don't expect fighters to take stupid risks (although I like when they do, because it makes for more excitement), but there has to be some risk taken in boxing and if you're a guy like Lara, if you're going to run, you have to make sure you're doing enough offensively to dominate rounds.

[cyclone]

Runners will very rarely push the action.

I think too many movers get labelled as runners. In boxing, you HAVE to move. It's not rock-em sock-em robots. And sometimes you have to run, especially if you're in with a big banger, a guy with an iron chin who will take 4 of your punches to land one, or if you're a feather fisted guy like Paulie.

As a fan, I don't expect fighters to take stupid risks (although I like when they do, because it makes for more excitement), but there has to be some risk taken in boxing and if you're a guy like Lara, if you're going to run, you have to make sure you're doing enough offensively to dominate rounds.

Lara played his role to a T.

He didn't give Canelito anything different to look at.

Had he come foreward on occasion, Alvarez would have folded like a tent ,because he would have been ill-prepared for that scenario.

Never did like Lara...he only has one gear...Reverse

[bradlee180]

Had he come foreward on occasion, Alvarez would have folded like a tent ,because he would have been ill-prepared for that scenario.

Never did like Lara...he only has one gear...Reverse

RE: "Folded like a tent", "ill-prepared", "only has one gear...Reverse"

Sounds like a pretty good description of yourself considering how you shamelessly ran from that scorecard challenge. You ain't no cyclone, you're more like a marshmallow blowing in the cyclone.
"Let's talk running", yep, you sure know about that!
Meet the challenge, marshmallow.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-behind-4.html

[imp]

Canelo is at fault as well because he could have made it more of a fight and roughed up lara in the championship rounds

Lara outboxed canelo and edged the fight but he wasnt sending out any flags to say "im the next best thing" and he should have risked more against golden boys top fighter to send out a message to the divison and the world.

[Sleepwalker]

Cory Spinks clearly ran from Jermain Taylor

[Hulk]

Cory Spinks clearly ran from Jermain Taylor

And Mayorga and Karmazin and Judah twice.