Only in the UK!

[Beanz]

Eddie Hearn - You clever Bastard! not only has he managed to build up a rivalry between two very ordinary Cruiserweights, because he has signed Cleverley, he has guaranteed this fight happens! MARK MY WORDS; this fight will get so hyped, that it will be PPV!!! where else in the World would a fight between 2 guys without any current titles (not even an English or British title) who have only fought at this weight twice each get the exposure this is going to get?
and why is Hearn a clever Bastard? because after Saturday's fiasco, he can even chip their purse a little because if either of them were to stall because they weren't happy with the purse , they would be seen to be chickening out!!! he is calling all the shots here and the fighters' enthusiasm to get it on will lead to them getting mugged off!

relax geezer


I doubt very much it will be pay per view


and I think its the best possible thing that can happen in both fighter's careers at this time so everyones happy


apart from you, but I don't think that's a big problem

Ah, ok, "Geezer". my point is more about how people not unlike yourself , fall for the hype and for hype read paying more for relatively mediocre quality fights, whether you actually attend events or subscribe and settle for this quite contentedly . Basically getting MUGGED OFF! PPV or not, this fight will get blown up, and not for the quality of the fight or fighters.
Here's a point to dwell on, my Pedigree Chum.... Tickets for the Brook vs Porter show , which has 3 world title fights including Bika vs Dirrell start at $25 and go up to $150.
How do you think Bellew vs Cleverley will compare , Geezer?

I think its only you comparing it to the brook porter fight


no one else is really that arsed


If youre trying to cause a row with a brit about something for some reason then you've picked a pretty lame subject


if you want to get on a brits nerves mention calzaghes slapping and padded record or how naz was exposed as soon as he fought at the top, something like that, geezer

I am pretty sure Primo is a Brit and that any niggle,irk or anger you think is in his post is being projected by you Eric. His point is valid, Hearn could sell snow to Iaminuit and Oregano to Brockton, but that is kind of his job description, as a promoter,to hype things.

[erics44]

Eddie Hearn - You clever Bastard! not only has he managed to build up a rivalry between two very ordinary Cruiserweights, because he has signed Cleverley, he has guaranteed this fight happens! MARK MY WORDS; this fight will get so hyped, that it will be PPV!!! where else in the World would a fight between 2 guys without any current titles (not even an English or British title) who have only fought at this weight twice each get the exposure this is going to get?
and why is Hearn a clever Bastard? because after Saturday's fiasco, he can even chip their purse a little because if either of them were to stall because they weren't happy with the purse , they would be seen to be chickening out!!! he is calling all the shots here and the fighters' enthusiasm to get it on will lead to them getting mugged off!

relax geezer


I doubt very much it will be pay per view


and I think its the best possible thing that can happen in both fighter's careers at this time so everyones happy


apart from you, but I don't think that's a big problem

Ah, ok, "Geezer". my point is more about how people not unlike yourself , fall for the hype and for hype read paying more for relatively mediocre quality fights, whether you actually attend events or subscribe and settle for this quite contentedly . Basically getting MUGGED OFF! PPV or not, this fight will get blown up, and not for the quality of the fight or fighters.
Here's a point to dwell on, my Pedigree Chum.... Tickets for the Brook vs Porter show , which has 3 world title fights including Bika vs Dirrell start at $25 and go up to $150.
How do you think Bellew vs Cleverley will compare , Geezer?

I think its only you comparing it to the brook porter fight


no one else is really that arsed


If youre trying to cause a row with a brit about something for some reason then you've picked a pretty lame subject


if you want to get on a brits nerves mention calzaghes slapping and padded record or how naz was exposed as soon as he fought at the top, something like that, geezer

I am pretty sure Primo is a Brit and that any niggle,irk or anger you think is in his post is being projected by you Eric. His point is valid, Hearn could sell snow to Iaminuit and Oregano to Brockton, but that is kind of his job description, as a promoter,to hype things.

maybe i am seeing something that isn't there


whats the thread about then?

[smashup]

hears brilliant for Boxing...fuck me he's just delivered the Biggest fight in UK History and one of the biggest of all time.

He's young, Charismatic and is a genuine fight anorak.

Rarely hear people bad mouthing him apart from Warren

I think he's already doing a brilliant job!

[Silkeyjoe]

hears brilliant for Boxing...fuck me he's just delivered the Biggest fight in UK History and one of the biggest of all time.

He's young, Charismatic and is a genuine fight anorak.

Rarely hear people bad mouthing him apart from Warren

I think he's already doing a brilliant job!

Hes an arrogant cunt who is not good for boxing, like most promoters. Hes out to line his pockets and couldnt give a fuck about the sport. Any of his good fighters get easily matched. Any of his decent fighters get easily matched until they get a shot and he ships them off to the states to lose. His domestic level fighters get tough fights because it is the only way they sell. His cards regularly produce no competitive fights. His matching style is not good for his fighters in the long run and certainly does nothing for the progression of the sport. UFC constantly have competitive fights which is why the sport has grown so much.

[erics44]

hears brilliant for Boxing...fuck me he's just delivered the Biggest fight in UK History and one of the biggest of all time.

He's young, Charismatic and is a genuine fight anorak.

Rarely hear people bad mouthing him apart from Warren

I think he's already doing a brilliant job!

Hes an arrogant cunt who is not good for boxing, like most promoters. Hes out to line his pockets and couldnt give a fuck about the sport. Any of his good fighters get easily matched. Any of his decent fighters get easily matched until they get a shot and he ships them off to the states to lose. His domestic level fighters get tough fights because it is the only way they sell. His cards regularly produce no competitive fights. His matching style is not good for his fighters in the long run and certainly does nothing for the progression of the sport. UFC constantly have competitive fights which is why the sport has grown so much.

@Greenbeanz im pretty sure there is some urk/anger being displayed


the "constant" competitive fights in ufc just cant be compared in boxing in any way, a 3 round ufc fight cant be compared to a 12 round championship boxing fight, completely different sports with completely different limits


you have to think about the bigger picture


clev v bellew is a big enough fight, I don't think the card last Saturday was over publicised as a massive night of boxing or anything, everyone knew the situation, yeah clevs opponent was a bit poor, bellews was alright for a second fight at a higher weight after a bad knockout defeat, wasn't he?

[Fenster]

If you watch his IFLTV interviews he basically says what his plans are well in advance. When he signed Cleverly he said he wanted to build the rematch with Bellew because it's a big domestic rivalry, those are the fights that sell. That shit at the end on Saturday night was clearly planned. People buy it, you've done a good job.

The thread could have been titled - Eddie Hearn: What a fantastic promoter.

[Fenster]

Don't see the problem with fighters going abroad for career high paydays and "world" title shots. Losing doesn't mean their career has ended. And as we saw with Darren Barker, winning meant he could retire in his 30's on the back of a million quid payday. In fact boxers that win in the other guys backyard get much more respect.

[IamInuit]

I think Hearn is great but it helps that he seems to be running the best domestic scene on the planet. 9 times out of 10 that domestic scene is better on Saturday afternoon then the ppv or big show that follows on Saturday evening. At the risk of sounding like I'm kissing British ass, I dont recall ever seeing a bad card. One worry might be that he gets to powerful and becomes the only game in town. Lots of fighters have seemed to flock to him and he could hold boxing hostage in Britain. So far so good and if not for this domestic scene and that of Mexico I'd be hard pressed to keep up with the sport with all the bullshit childish games on this side of the pond.

[Silkeyjoe]

hears brilliant for Boxing...fuck me he's just delivered the Biggest fight in UK History and one of the biggest of all time.

He's young, Charismatic and is a genuine fight anorak.

Rarely hear people bad mouthing him apart from Warren

I think he's already doing a brilliant job!

Hes an arrogant cunt who is not good for boxing, like most promoters. Hes out to line his pockets and couldnt give a fuck about the sport. Any of his good fighters get easily matched. Any of his decent fighters get easily matched until they get a shot and he ships them off to the states to lose. His domestic level fighters get tough fights because it is the only way they sell. His cards regularly produce no competitive fights. His matching style is not good for his fighters in the long run and certainly does nothing for the progression of the sport. UFC constantly have competitive fights which is why the sport has grown so much.

@Greenbeanz im pretty sure there is some urk/anger being displayed


the "constant" competitive fights in ufc just cant be compared in boxing in any way, a 3 round ufc fight cant be compared to a 12 round championship boxing fight, completely different sports with completely different limits


you have to think about the bigger picture


clev v bellew is a big enough fight, I don't think the card last Saturday was over publicised as a massive night of boxing or anything, everyone knew the situation, yeah clevs opponent was a bit poor, bellews was alright for a second fight at a higher weight after a bad knockout defeat, wasn't he?

Why cant the competitive fights be compared? Because its not as long? Most UFC fights are just as draining as a boxing match. And a competitive 3 or 5 rounder is a lot harder on the body then the 10 - 12 round fights Hearns shows. Cleverly and Bellew get a lot tougher fights in sparring. I get pretty fed up watching boxing cards where the best price you can get on a fav is 1/16. Cleverly 1/80, Bellew 1/33, Fielding 1/40, Joshua 1/100, Callum Smith 1/16. Its not just Hearn Warren and Hennessey are the same but no one believes their shit is gold.

[Primo Carnera]

Eddie Hearn - You clever Bastard! not only has he managed to build up a rivalry between two very ordinary Cruiserweights, because he has signed Cleverley, he has guaranteed this fight happens! MARK MY WORDS; this fight will get so hyped, that it will be PPV!!! where else in the World would a fight between 2 guys without any current titles (not even an English or British title) who have only fought at this weight twice each get the exposure this is going to get?
and why is Hearn a clever Bastard? because after Saturday's fiasco, he can even chip their purse a little because if either of them were to stall because they weren't happy with the purse , they would be seen to be chickening out!!! he is calling all the shots here and the fighters' enthusiasm to get it on will lead to them getting mugged off!

relax geezer


I doubt very much it will be pay per view


and I think its the best possible thing that can happen in both fighter's careers at this time so everyones happy


apart from you, but I don't think that's a big problem

Ah, ok, "Geezer". my point is more about how people not unlike yourself , fall for the hype and for hype read paying more for relatively mediocre quality fights, whether you actually attend events or subscribe and settle for this quite contentedly . Basically getting MUGGED OFF! PPV or not, this fight will get blown up, and not for the quality of the fight or fighters.
Here's a point to dwell on, my Pedigree Chum.... Tickets for the Brook vs Porter show , which has 3 world title fights including Bika vs Dirrell start at $25 and go up to $150.
How do you think Bellew vs Cleverley will compare , Geezer?

I think its only you comparing it to the brook porter fight


no one else is really that arsed


If youre trying to cause a row with a brit about something for some reason then you've picked a pretty lame subject


if you want to get on a brits nerves mention calzaghes slapping and padded record or how naz was exposed as soon as he fought at the top, something like that, geezer

I am pretty sure Primo is a Brit and that any niggle,irk or anger you think is in his post is being projected by you Eric. His point is valid, Hearn could sell snow to Iaminuit and Oregano to Brockton, but that is kind of his job description, as a promoter,to hype things.

Correct on virtually everything Greenbeanz. I Do live in Britain and the thread isn't to Irk or anger anyone although I can't say the same for Eric. I wasn't criticising Hearn, infact I was complimenting him for how well he does his job. my point is that because a fight gets hyped up and the money is big, the less knowledgeable fans (who the sport needs because they bring the money in ) then think these guys are world beaters. What happens next is that these guys then meet a World class opponent and get beat.
I know it's a business, and I know we don't live in an ideal world . However , I believe that what you earn should equate to how good you are. For example , Carl Froch can earn £8 - £10 million for beating somebody who although I believe has potential and I like , hasn't ever won a World title. Whereas it would take Andre Ward (who nobody can deny is better than Froch) 4 fights to earn that.
And before everybody says , tough on Ward because he is boring to watch or he shouldn't have been so greedy and argued with his promotion company , I'll give you another example.
Pacquiao and Bradley combined wouldn't earn what Froch did when they fought each other, and nobody can dispute that is an Elite fight. same goes for Canelo vs Lara .
and I don't blame Froch, good luck to him, you've got to earn the best you can, the same goes for Bellew and Cleverley . I just don't see the correlation between Quality and Value for Money.

[Fenster]

In boxing you don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate - Don King.

Fighters like Gatti/Ward can't hold a candle to people like Hopkins/Floyd in boxings "greatest" stakes, but I doubt there's many people on earth that would pick the second mob if they were looking for entertainment.

[erics44]

hears brilliant for Boxing...fuck me he's just delivered the Biggest fight in UK History and one of the biggest of all time.

He's young, Charismatic and is a genuine fight anorak.

Rarely hear people bad mouthing him apart from Warren

I think he's already doing a brilliant job!

Hes an arrogant cunt who is not good for boxing, like most promoters. Hes out to line his pockets and couldnt give a fuck about the sport. Any of his good fighters get easily matched. Any of his decent fighters get easily matched until they get a shot and he ships them off to the states to lose. His domestic level fighters get tough fights because it is the only way they sell. His cards regularly produce no competitive fights. His matching style is not good for his fighters in the long run and certainly does nothing for the progression of the sport. UFC constantly have competitive fights which is why the sport has grown so much.

@Greenbeanz im pretty sure there is some urk/anger being displayed


the "constant" competitive fights in ufc just cant be compared in boxing in any way, a 3 round ufc fight cant be compared to a 12 round championship boxing fight, completely different sports with completely different limits


you have to think about the bigger picture


clev v bellew is a big enough fight, I don't think the card last Saturday was over publicised as a massive night of boxing or anything, everyone knew the situation, yeah clevs opponent was a bit poor, bellews was alright for a second fight at a higher weight after a bad knockout defeat, wasn't he?

Why cant the competitive fights be compared? Because its not as long? Most UFC fights are just as draining as a boxing match. And a competitive 3 or 5 rounder is a lot harder on the body then the 10 - 12 round fights Hearns shows. Cleverly and Bellew get a lot tougher fights in sparring. I get pretty fed up watching boxing cards where the best price you can get on a fav is 1/16. Cleverly 1/80, Bellew 1/33, Fielding 1/40, Joshua 1/100, Callum Smith 1/16. Its not just Hearn Warren and Hennessey are the same but no one believes their shit is gold.

and is it realistic that every time clev (or any fighter) fights it is a 50/50 fight?


and if he was in a 50/50 fight every time how many fights would you expect him to have?


and what would be the significance of a cleverly bellew (or any other rivalry) if clev and bellew had both fought another 2 50/50 fights after their defeats and one or both lost 1 or 2?


and if they did lose and their fight lost significance who would make any money?


and if no one made any money what would the next big fight night be?


and if there wasn't a big fight night who would watch boxing?


and if no one watched boxing what would we do then?

[erics44]

Eddie Hearn - You clever Bastard! not only has he managed to build up a rivalry between two very ordinary Cruiserweights, because he has signed Cleverley, he has guaranteed this fight happens! MARK MY WORDS; this fight will get so hyped, that it will be PPV!!! where else in the World would a fight between 2 guys without any current titles (not even an English or British title) who have only fought at this weight twice each get the exposure this is going to get?
and why is Hearn a clever Bastard? because after Saturday's fiasco, he can even chip their purse a little because if either of them were to stall because they weren't happy with the purse , they would be seen to be chickening out!!! he is calling all the shots here and the fighters' enthusiasm to get it on will lead to them getting mugged off!

relax geezer


I doubt very much it will be pay per view


and I think its the best possible thing that can happen in both fighter's careers at this time so everyones happy


apart from you, but I don't think that's a big problem

Ah, ok, "Geezer". my point is more about how people not unlike yourself , fall for the hype and for hype read paying more for relatively mediocre quality fights, whether you actually attend events or subscribe and settle for this quite contentedly . Basically getting MUGGED OFF! PPV or not, this fight will get blown up, and not for the quality of the fight or fighters.
Here's a point to dwell on, my Pedigree Chum.... Tickets for the Brook vs Porter show , which has 3 world title fights including Bika vs Dirrell start at $25 and go up to $150.
How do you think Bellew vs Cleverley will compare , Geezer?

I think its only you comparing it to the brook porter fight


no one else is really that arsed


If youre trying to cause a row with a brit about something for some reason then you've picked a pretty lame subject


if you want to get on a brits nerves mention calzaghes slapping and padded record or how naz was exposed as soon as he fought at the top, something like that, geezer

I am pretty sure Primo is a Brit and that any niggle,irk or anger you think is in his post is being projected by you Eric. His point is valid, Hearn could sell snow to Iaminuit and Oregano to Brockton, but that is kind of his job description, as a promoter,to hype things.

Correct on virtually everything Greenbeanz. I Do live in Britain and the thread isn't to Irk or anger anyone although I can't say the same for Eric. I wasn't criticising Hearn, infact I was complimenting him for how well he does his job. my point is that because a fight gets hyped up and the money is big, the less knowledgeable fans (who the sport needs because they bring the money in ) then think these guys are world beaters. What happens next is that these guys then meet a World class opponent and get beat.
I know it's a business, and I know we don't live in an ideal world . However , I believe that what you earn should equate to how good you are. For example , Carl Froch can earn £8 - £10 million for beating somebody who although I believe has potential and I like , hasn't ever won a World title. Whereas it would take Andre Ward (who nobody can deny is better than Froch) 4 fights to earn that.
And before everybody says , tough on Ward because he is boring to watch or he shouldn't have been so greedy and argued with his promotion company , I'll give you another example.
Pacquiao and Bradley combined wouldn't earn what Froch did when they fought each other, and nobody can dispute that is an Elite fight. same goes for Canelo vs Lara .
and I don't blame Froch, good luck to him, you've got to earn the best you can, the same goes for Bellew and Cleverley . I just don't see the correlation between Quality and Value for Money.

I disagree soz, you clearly show anger and irk and your post above

[Primo Carnera]

I dont get the point of this thread. Its a big domestic clash. Of course it will be hyped. It most likely wont be on box office unless its an undercard to Froch-Degale or another world title fight. In US you have to pay PPV for big fights every month, over here we get one or 2 a year, hardly a rip off. Ticket prices like everything depend on demand. Porter aint got a huge following and I cant see many Brits travelling for Brook hence cheap tickets. Bellew is popular in Liverpool and with a few other local fighters demand is high so he can charge more. Similar to Frampton in Belfast. High demand for tickets equals higher prices. If you feel it is a rip off dont go. I think paying 200 quid for decent seats for fights I want to see is good value

Each to their own. My point is that you can see 3 world title fights for peanuts or a load of domestic dust ups for double or triple the price. Don't get me wrong, if it ain't PPV, I'll be watching it . I'm sure it'll be fun,But what happens is that because it gets hyped up so much, Joe public actually believe that one of them will be worthy of a World title shot without really earning it.
So would you rather watch Liverpool vs Man Utd for £20 or Bury vs Accrington Stanley for £50?

Would you rather watch Wlad v Povetkin for 50£ or Cleveerly v Bellew for 75£?

To be fair, if the ref hadn't spoilt it, Wlad vs Povetkin. I still think Wlad would've won, but It would've been more competitive.
I mean, when Bellew and Cleverley fought the first time , was it that memorable? Sure the pre- fight will be fun, but....

nar, if the ref had done his job wlad would have been dq'd


that's an opinion, but is about as much as a fact as an opinion can be

"Froch - Groves II tickets at Wembley started at £30.
So not really too bad a deal compared to $25 for Brook - Porter hey?

Bascially you are talking rubbish. Most tickets for fights in Britain start around the £25-£30 mark."

Firstly, regarding Wlad vs Povetkin, of course it's an opinion. I was asked what I would prefer and I GAVE MY OPINION! if you don't agree fine, it's a free country, no stress.
The point about it being that you are watching the undisputed World no.1 *(Wlad) against arguably the World no.2. I did put Arguably just in case you get into a hissy fit! in the other fight , you've got at best , the World no.2 (who never, ever has been or ever will be World no.1) against the World no. 5, 6 or 7. Just a bit of perspective really.
Secondly, Did you go to Wembley? if so , What do you reckon you could see for £30. my guess would be that those tickets were by the Hot Dog Stand as you come up Wembley Way!!!!!!
Whereas I'm pretty sure that you will get a better view and don't forget 3 world title fights on the same bill for just over half the price. If you can't understand the reasoning here and still think I'm talking rubbish, then I pity you.
I fully understand that the majority of people that went to Wembley aren't really boxing fans and went more because of the hype and occasion and that's fine. Boxing needs them and their money.
if People are happy to pay more over here for like for like less quality , no problem. but at the same time it's important to not let the hype cloud judgement on a fighters standing in the game because of that.
And that is why the vast majority of fighters from these shores that go to the States for World title fights lose and we shouldn't be surprised at that.
It's not just this sport that this relates to, in Britain it's most sports, and that is why the rest of the World see Brits as extremely arrogant!!!
I'm sure you (and many other people) won't agree, and that's why it will never change.

[erics44]

I dont get the point of this thread. Its a big domestic clash. Of course it will be hyped. It most likely wont be on box office unless its an undercard to Froch-Degale or another world title fight. In US you have to pay PPV for big fights every month, over here we get one or 2 a year, hardly a rip off. Ticket prices like everything depend on demand. Porter aint got a huge following and I cant see many Brits travelling for Brook hence cheap tickets. Bellew is popular in Liverpool and with a few other local fighters demand is high so he can charge more. Similar to Frampton in Belfast. High demand for tickets equals higher prices. If you feel it is a rip off dont go. I think paying 200 quid for decent seats for fights I want to see is good value

Each to their own. My point is that you can see 3 world title fights for peanuts or a load of domestic dust ups for double or triple the price. Don't get me wrong, if it ain't PPV, I'll be watching it . I'm sure it'll be fun,But what happens is that because it gets hyped up so much, Joe public actually believe that one of them will be worthy of a World title shot without really earning it.
So would you rather watch Liverpool vs Man Utd for £20 or Bury vs Accrington Stanley for £50?

Would you rather watch Wlad v Povetkin for 50£ or Cleveerly v Bellew for 75£?

To be fair, if the ref hadn't spoilt it, Wlad vs Povetkin. I still think Wlad would've won, but It would've been more competitive.
I mean, when Bellew and Cleverley fought the first time , was it that memorable? Sure the pre- fight will be fun, but....

nar, if the ref had done his job wlad would have been dq'd


that's an opinion, but is about as much as a fact as an opinion can be

"Froch - Groves II tickets at Wembley started at £30.
So not really too bad a deal compared to $25 for Brook - Porter hey?

Bascially you are talking rubbish. Most tickets for fights in Britain start around the £25-£30 mark."

Firstly, regarding Wlad vs Povetkin, of course it's an opinion. I was asked what I would prefer and I GAVE MY OPINION! if you don't agree fine, it's a free country, no stress.
The point about it being that you are watching the undisputed World no.1 *(Wlad) against arguably the World no.2. I did put Arguably just in case you get into a hissy fit! in the other fight , you've got at best , the World no.2 (who never, ever has been or ever will be World no.1) against the World no. 5, 6 or 7. Just a bit of perspective really.
Secondly, Did you go to Wembley? if so , What do you reckon you could see for £30. my guess would be that those tickets were by the Hot Dog Stand as you come up Wembley Way!!!!!!
Whereas I'm pretty sure that you will get a better view and don't forget 3 world title fights on the same bill for just over half the price. If you can't understand the reasoning here and still think I'm talking rubbish, then I pity you.
I fully understand that the majority of people that went to Wembley aren't really boxing fans and went more because of the hype and occasion and that's fine. Boxing needs them and their money.
if People are happy to pay more over here for like for like less quality , no problem. but at the same time it's important to not let the hype cloud judgement on a fighters standing in the game because of that.
And that is why the vast majority of fighters from these shores that go to the States for World title fights lose and we shouldn't be surprised at that.
It's not just this sport that this relates to, in Britain it's most sports, and that is why the rest of the World see Brits as extremely arrogant!!!
I'm sure you (and many other people) won't agree, and that's why it will never change.

I assume that's not aimed at me because not Im sure any of it related to anything I have said so far