Roy not a great LHW? Didn't he spend 7 or 8 years there just murdering everyone?Originally Posted by Master
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Re: What does Hopkins have that Jones doesn't?
Roy not a great LHW? Didn't he spend 7 or 8 years there just murdering everyone?
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Re: What does Hopkins have that Jones doesn't?
Bottom line, Roy beats ANYBODY IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING from 168-175.
When people actually pick guys like Bob Foster (and I love Bob Foster) to beat Roy, I wish I could spit in their faces.
Unfortunately Roy will forever be underrated because of the last 10 years he spend pissing away his legacy, but prime Roy Jones is untouchable.
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Hahaha!!!! Awesome post! "Roy beats anyone ever and if u disagree with me because I made this statement without any supporting facts, I will get mad and wish I could do mean things to u!!!" Look, we get that u r a big fan or Roy's. Got it. The fact is, he didn't fight tough comp at 175 until he got to Tarver. I challenge u to review his record and find someone he beat at 175 who was as big as Tarver, and had the pedigree and boxing background that Tarver had. U lose all credibility when u say Roy could, without a doubt, beat killers at 175 like Foster, Moore, Spinks, and Ezzard Charles. U just can't support those comments and u look ridiculous throwing a fit in the chat room because not many other people agree with u.
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Watch Roy Jones fight. Watch Foster fight. Watch Archie Moore fight. Watch Spinks fight.Hahaha!!!! Awesome post! "Roy beats anyone ever and if u disagree with me because I made this statement without any supporting facts, I will get mad and wish I could do mean things to u!!!" Look, we get that u r a big fan or Roy's. Got it. The fact is, he didn't fight tough comp at 175 until he got to Tarver. I challenge u to review his record and find someone he beat at 175 who was as big as Tarver, and had the pedigree and boxing background that Tarver had. U lose all credibility when u say Roy could, without a doubt, beat killers at 175 like Foster, Moore, Spinks, and Ezzard Charles. U just can't support those comments and u look ridiculous throwing a fit in the chat room because not many other people agree with u.
Four great fighters, no doubt. But if you think either of those guys beats prime Roy Jones, here's some free advice: don't bet on boxing.
I don't analyze boxing based on statistics, record books, rumours, hearsay, ect. I go by what I see.
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Re: What does Hopkins have that Jones doesn't?
Not everyone. He missed a couple like Michalczewski and Rocchigiani.Roy not a great LHW? Didn't he spend 7 or 8 years there just murdering everyone?
I also would have liked to have seen him at CW, against Juan Carlos Gomez and Jirov.
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Re: What does Hopkins have that Jones doesn't?
Roy didn't cheat to win.
He didn't pretend to be hurt to gain an advantage.
He didn't foul blatantly when the ref was out of view.
He didn't need to.
His reflexes and natural athletic abilities were all he needed to beat anyone when he was young. As he got older these natural abilities started to slip and he lost his luster.
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Roy didn't cheat to win? U know he got busted for using PEDs, rights?!? Not saying he is the only guy who cheated, just saying everyone does a little diet to get to the top.
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Can you get me the documents showing this to be true?Roy didn't cheat to win? U know he got busted for using PEDs, rights?!? Not saying he is the only guy who cheated, just saying everyone does a little diet to get to the top.
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Roy used "Ripped Fuel" when you could buy it over the counter at a freakin 7-11 or corner drug store.Roy didn't cheat to win? U know he got busted for using PEDs, rights?!? Not saying he is the only guy who cheated, just saying everyone does a little diet to get to the top.
And the fight when it was brought to light was with Richard Hall who cried like a baby that Roy was using illegal meds not peds. As it turned out, Mr. Hall had 10 times the amount of ripped fuel in his system then Roy did. Fighters at the time had been using all kinds of inhalers and shit for years.
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On a separate not in the Ring it said that Roy's mistress, a woman boxer, showed naked pictures of him on instagram because he would not leave his wife.
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Although I believe you are exaggerating about Hopkins, I also believe that you are touching on a possible answer to the question being posed. Hopkins was not born with all of that "natural" ability and learned his craft in the school of hard knocks. He's as much a modern day James Scott as he is a 21st century Archie Moore. And therein lies the difference imo. And its not just the physical difference. Hops style is built for longevity, Roys was not. But just as strongly imo is what rests above the shoulders. Hops attitude which was gained from his past is just as resilient as his skills.
And ftr fighters have been taking advantage of where the ref is forever. Many of Hops shots that are called cheap are actually smart. He had the anticipation of the break down to a science and rode the line on "protect yourself at all times." I dont think he's near the dirty fighter that he is accused of being. The same ring generalship and study he uses against fighters he also uses with the refs.
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I think some of the fan boys r clouding the issue. Roy popped positive for PEDs. He then tried to say he took Ripped Fuel and that gave him a false positive. Investigation showed that it wasn't ripped fuel that put illegal substances in his body, it was illegal substances that put them there. Ripped Fuel was Roy's attempt to play dumb and excuse getting busted. Thanks.
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Re: What does Hopkins have that Jones doesn't?
Aside from different dna, different training, different intellect, safer focus, tighter style plays the hand he was dealt and collected closer to his chest,measured in for long haul.
Roy was about risk n reward, probably a freer training regime, footloose fancy free, relaxed attitude so the body follows as did the relaxed guard and shoulders allowing him to get in his own zone faster,shoot from the hip,hitting during moves for more speed and percussion, more risks, more damage given and undertaken, risked his whole hand while playing them face up.
I love watching one and appreciate the other with reverence.
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Did everyone miss my post about the mistress that exposed naked pictures of Roy Jones?
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Roy Jones Jr. vs. Richard Hall - Boxrec Boxing EncyclopaediaBoth Jones and Hall tested positive for anabolic steroids after the fight. "Jones was five or six times over an acceptable level," said Jacob Hall, who was chairman of the Indiana State Athletic Commission. "Hall was about ten times above an acceptable level." Jones insisted his positive test was the result of ingesting the supplement Ripped Fuel. No penalties or suspensions were issued because Indiana, like many states, had no legal authority to test for steroids. The IBF sent letters to Jones and Hall informing each man that he had tested positive for an unspecified anabolic steroid, but no further action was taken.
Game. Set. Match. Imagine if Hopkins took steroids or other PEDs, imagine how much greater Hopkins would be.
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